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Porky Prime Cuts

Post by Mr Kittens » Sat Oct 09, 2010 14:51

I've always had a fascination with the writing on the run-out grooves of vinyl records. I think this is the main reason I'm so short-sighted - all that squinting and head-turning to get the light to shine on the grooves "just so". It seems to be a phenomenon confined to British independently-released vinyl. The main scribblers seem to have been Damont and Porky.

Well, this morning, I had the foolish idea to go through my entire record collection and list all my Porky Prime Cuts. I've started with the 7" singles. I've reproduced my list (as it stands so far) below.

There are other lists like this on the 'net, eg, here, but nowhere is there an exhaustive list (unless anyone else has seen one?). Well, if anyone else wants to join in, I thought it would be interesting to create our own Anorak list of Porky Prime Cuts. I'll edit them into the initial list and we'll see what we end up with....

By the way, I thought Porky was Phill Jupitus, but apparently, he isn't!

The current list:

7"s
AC Acoustics - Sweatlodge
Age of Chance - Motorcity
Honey Bane - Guilty
Bet Lynch's Legs - Riders in the Sky
Blue Orchids - Work
B-Movie - Remembrance Day
Cabaret Voltaire - Nag Nag Nag
The Candy Darlings - That's Where Caroline Lives
John Cooper Clarke - I Married a Monster From Outer Space
Dwarves - Lick It
The Fall - How I Wrote "Elastic Man"
The Fall - Liedream of a Casino Soul
The Fall - Fiery Jack
The Fall - Kicker Conspiracy
The Fall - Totally Wired
The Farmer's Boys - More Than a Dream
Folk Devils - Hank Turns Blue
Folk Devils - Beautiful Monster
Girls at Our Best! - Politics!
Girls at Our Best! - Getting Nowhere Fast
God Is My Co-Pilot - Grow Your Own Country Wide Primary School Band
Gretschen Hofner - Time for a Black Jesus?
The Janitors - Chicken Stew
Kleenex - You
The Mekons - Snow
The Mighty Lemon Drops - Like an Angel
Mo-Dettes - White Mice
The Nightingales - Idiot Strength
Novak - Boy Scouts of America
Orange Juice - Simply Thrilled Honey
The Prats - Disco Pope
The Prefects - Going Through the Motions
Quickspace - Friend
Quickspace - Quickspace Happy Song #2
The Raincoats - Fairytale in the Supermarket
Red Guitars - Good Technology
Sebadoh - Flame
Sex Pistols - Silly Thing
The Sisters of Mercy - Alice
Spizz Oil - Cold City
Sperm Wails - The Golden Age of the Carry On
The Stranglers - 5 Minutes
Ten Benson - The Claw
Ten Benson - United Colours of Benson
Ten Benson - City Hoppers
Ten Benson - Evil Heat
That Petrol Emotion/The Membranes - Split
The Tiller Boys - Big Noise from the Jungle
UK Subs - Tomorrow's Girls
The Undertones - You've Got My Number (Why Don't You Use It?)
Wah! Heat - Seven Minutes to Midnight
Yeah Yeah Noh - Cottage Industry
Yeah Yeah Noh - Beware the Weakling Lines
The Yummy Fur - Stereo Girls

...to be added to in due course!
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Post by everard » Sat Oct 09, 2010 15:51

i think when you next amend the list it'd be a good idea to include the record label names too, since labels tend to use the same pressing plant & it'd make searching through a collection easier -- as would knowing an approximate start & end date (1978-2000?). is it known which plant/s porky worked at?

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Post by Uncle Ants » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:35

Jupitus is/was Porky the Poet - he did the cartoons in my Billy Bragg songbook :).

THEE Porky was a a Liverpudlian called George Peckham. I think he's only just retired.

Ps. He actually had a short wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Peckham

pps. Which I just realised you already linked to ... Sorry.
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Re: Porky Prime Cuts

Post by westgatestreet » Sun Oct 10, 2010 14:35

Mr Kittens wrote:I've always had a fascination with the writing on the run-out grooves of vinyl records.
I don't want to derail this thread, so if there is a more appropriate one on here please point me there.
I find the runout groove etchings quite interesting, too. But I think I never fully understood the matrix numbers.

For instance, when a catalogue number ends with "A1" or "B1" on each side, I thought the record to be the first pressing. This worked fine until I found records which have "A1" on the A side, but "B2" written on the B side. This always freaked me out a bit, if anyone can solve this problem / knows the answer why this can be I'll be very grateful.

I am sure I can contribute a couple of records to your list, unfortunately nearly all of my vinyl is stored at my parents' house at the moment due to lack of space, e.g. crazy London rent prices.

So yeah, anyway, go on.... sorry to disturb, but I couldn't hold myself back from posting this.

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Re: Porky Prime Cuts

Post by aorta » Sun Oct 10, 2010 18:44

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum/vi ... 56&start=0
Multiple stampers are made from a mother, and there usually were several stampers made. They wouldn't necessarily match A1 with B1 stamper. Also, sometimes stampers would get rejected and thrown out because of manufacturing flaws or quality assurance issues. So on some records you may not have a A1 and/or B1 (or A2, B2... etc.) stamper pressing at all.

Another thing, labels often used different systems for matrix numbers. So Atlantic matrix numbers will different from those of, say, Columbia.
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Post by westgatestreet » Sun Oct 10, 2010 19:17

That's absolutely amazing, thanks a lot for that, IT Madman.

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Post by Mr Kittens » Sun Oct 10, 2010 20:27

That was interesting! A1, B2, C2...now we know! It may help to explain why at least three records in the list that I linked to in the original thread are not Porky Prime Cuts on the versions that I have**.

Anyway, I'm not advocating that everyone goes off and rummages through their record collections* right now - but if anyone comes across a PPC in the course of their everyday listening, add it to the list as and when.

As for Porky...he seems to have started off his cutting career with Apple in 1968, and kept at it for 40 or so years. The words "A Porky Prime Cut" have been found (with two exceptions) only on UK independent labels' records, and only between circa 1978 and 2000 (although that is possibly only a reflection on my record collection - there must be some from either earlier or later than that). Early Rough Trade have several, but other than them, the labels are quite varied.

It must be quite an honour to have had the immortal words scratched on the run-out grooves of one of your records.

Having inspected several hundred singles over the weekend, I would say it is rare to see messages scratched on major label records, and more surprisingly, rare to see anything on non-British independent vinyl. The earliest example I have found is the message "Melys and Andy love you" on the *ahem* classic Rubettes single Fo-Dee-Oh-Dee from around 1975.

Other than Porky, the name that keeps cropping up is Damont. I shall now go away and find out who or what Damont is/was.

*if you do go through your collection, you'll probably find a whole bunch of records you never knew you had - I mean, where did the Cilla Black record come from that I found yesterday? Or the Horst Jankowski? Or Karel Fialka's Hey Matthew? I don't remember buying any of them! Or ever playing any of them!

**Edit: I've just looked at that list again, and the writer states that they're not all Porky Prime Cuts. Way to confuse me.

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Post by Mr Kittens » Sun Oct 10, 2010 20:46

Mr Kittens wrote: Other than Porky, the name that keeps cropping up is Damont. I shall now go away and find out who or what Damont is/was.
That would be Damont Audio of Blyth Road, Hayes in London then. Record and CD manufacturers. Possibly where Porky worked, at least for some of the time.

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Post by Uncle Ants » Sun Oct 10, 2010 21:05

I have a copy of Be Seeing You, a Dr. Feelgood album from 1977 on United Artists which is a Porky Prime Cut and inscribed "You won't get it (Who is Number One?)" on one side and "Charming Party" on the other.

Ps. Also though not a PPC, Led Zeppelin III is from 1970 and my copy is inscribed "Do what thou wilt" on side 1 and "So mote it be" on side 2.
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Post by westgatestreet » Sun Oct 10, 2010 21:15

I might get it totally wrong now, because - as I stated - my vinyl is currently not at hand - and I don't want to confuse anyone, but doesn't come the "Damont" etching together with the word "Townhouse", which I always suggested being a vinyl pressing factory in France?

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Post by MJHibbett » Sun Oct 10, 2010 22:20

We cut our first single at Porky's ("It's meant to sound like this" is what we had written) and I think most of the Fortuna Pop! singles back then did too. I _think_ we met the man himself, though it was a very very long time ago and I was mostly concerned with thinking about what I'd wear when we, inevitably, hit the charts...

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Post by lloydybwoy » Mon Dec 13, 2010 21:58

I'm fairly certain the Jennifers' 12" Just Got Back Today on Nude is a Porky Prime Cut - hang on, I'll just go and check.

Yep - groove reads:
A. "A Porky Prime Cut" "Legalize It!" "Electrickery"
B. "A Porky Prime (It's Got Me Licked) Cut." "Suck My Lolly"

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Post by frankie » Wed Dec 29, 2010 13:58

MJHibbett wrote:We cut our first single at Porky's ("It's meant to sound like this" is what we had written) and I think most of the Fortuna Pop! singles back then did too. I _think_ we met the man himself, though it was a very very long time ago and I was mostly concerned with thinking about what I'd wear when we, inevitably, hit the charts...
Yeah - we met Prky - he was defintely a scouser and definitely called George

I think compiling a definitive list of porky prime cuts could take forever. Almost every UK record I own was cut there!

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Post by Mr Kittens » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:52

Yep, after the initial enthusiasm for making this list waned (this would be about thirty minutes into the "A" section of the 12" and LP section - finger out record from pile, pull out inner-sleeve, hold record up to weak light, squint at run-out groove for thousandth time...), I did eventually conclude that the quest for listing even all of my own PPCs was boring and futile (let alone every single other one that ever existed). And I love lists, I really do! My favourite books are just lists of stuff - MC Strong's discographies, Rothman's football annuals, Record Collector price guides...

However, despite the futility of it all, there are three Strange Fruit Peel Sessions to add: Twa Toots, Gang Of Four and The Wedding Present.

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Post by everard » Sat Mar 12, 2011 13:33

blaggers i.t.a.'s new kids on the blag 12" is a prime cut with an added editorial note!
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