Music small talk, music big talk

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by linus » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:25

but surely they must have seen that didn't work for the observer music monthly so why would it work for them?

and if vice is such a drawer why not wholesale rip it off? the nme must be dead on it's arse you'd think it'd be doing everything it can to even retain a patina of relevance

none of this matters, obviously, but it's the fact none of it matters that troubles me

we may have had thatcher in the eighties but at least we also had any number of bands that seemed to be in direct opposition to what the government were doing and often right there in the young person's hit parade, on top of the poppermost and so on

what have we got now?

the nme may well be a piddly magazine writing for a piddly readership about piddly bands but even if we outright ignore the nme and I expect we all do is the alternative any more vital and alive or does it just appear that way by comparison?

I just want a bit of urgency, soul, fire, passion, etc but I suspect those are all outmoded concepts, seen as a bit earnest, a bit worthy, etc

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Post by Murray » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:33

It truly is as if punk never happened. The Rolling Stones play a couple of shows with ticket prices in triple figures and the (allegedly) yoof of the day vote them best live act? I can't imagine very many of them went to the 'gigs', but there you go, it's cool to vote for the Stones.

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by RITH » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:43

indiansummer wrote:basically: boring middlebrow magazine writing about boring middlebrow music attracts boring middlebrow readership.
Sure, but there's no denying something essential seems to be missing in most youth and music today. Real urgency. Punk. Protest. Who really cares about who they are and what they're entitled to? And more: who cares about anyone else? According to music: no one.

Crisis or no crisis, we're all mostly content and completely passive and bland because of it.

"I care about me and sure, I'll say I care about you too. But if it really comes down to it, I care about me so much more. Because caring about you shouldn't come at the cost of having a little less myself. I have needs too, you know? It's a crisis, dude. I can't help everyone. Now leave me and my new smartphone alone. I need to see The Voice."

I've never cared much for the cliche 'fuck you and your institutions' kind of punk, but my gosh do I miss them now.

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by Mr Bear » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:51

I think for the first time in history*, we're going through an age where the 30+ generation are saying that modern music made by young people isn't loud, energetic or wild enough, rather than the reverse.

That sounded more profound in my head.

*possible hyperbole

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by kofi » Thu Feb 28, 2013 15:17

RITH wrote: there's no denying something essential seems to be missing in most youth and music today. Real urgency. Punk. Protest. Who really cares about who they are and what they're entitled to? And more: who cares about anyone else? According to music: no one.

Crisis or no crisis, we're all mostly content and completely passive and bland because of it.
a fog of ideas wrote:I just want a bit of urgency, soul, fire, passion, etc but I suspect those are all outmoded concepts, seen as a bit earnest, a bit worthy, etc
I feel exactly the same way. If you're talking about bands with popularity on the scale of the Red Wedge groups of the 80s, then obviously that's lacking. There are bands who aim to play with urgency and sing with conviction though (I'm in a couple myself). This is partly why I got (and remain) excited about Colour Me Wednesday, their songs are passionate and have actual content. The current Tunabunny album also has plenty fire and soul. And on their last two records The King Blues hit fantastic form, as sort of a young British punk heir to bands like Anti-Flag/RATM/ADF.

But yeah, I'm straying out of genre already. Because that's about it, aside from the protest folkies, anarcho-punks and the odd political rapper. That I know of anyway, I hope I'm wrong.

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Post by a layer of chips » Thu Feb 28, 2013 15:41

We've got to put this into context and recognise the series if defeats for the working class that the catastrophic Miners' Strike defeat kicked off. The Seventies ended with the organised working class on a high, despite Thatcher's victory. Those in bands in the 80s were either, on the whole, part of this or directly affected by it. What have today's 20 year olds got to look to when it comes to victory? The defeat of the Poll Tax probably spawned the last generation of bands with a positive political message. The last twenty years have been nothing but defeat after defeat and a stripping away of working ass consciousness. It's no surprise kids like the Rolling Stones.

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by linus » Thu Feb 28, 2013 15:55

a layer of chips wrote:working ass consciousness.
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Post by a layer of chips » Thu Feb 28, 2013 15:57

unting phone.

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by kofi » Thu Feb 28, 2013 16:31

a layer of chips wrote:We've got to put this into context and recognise the series if defeats for the working class that the catastrophic Miners' Strike defeat kicked off. The Seventies ended with the organised working class on a high, despite Thatcher's victory. Those in bands in the 80s were either, on the whole, part of this or directly affected by it. What have today's 20 year olds got to look to when it comes to victory? The defeat of the Poll Tax probably spawned the last generation of bands with a positive political message. The last twenty years have been nothing but defeat after defeat and a stripping away of working ass consciousness. It's no surprise kids like the Rolling Stones.
so you're saying that material conditions.. shape consciousness.. rather than the other way round?

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Feb 28, 2013 17:13

I'm saying it's a two way thing. Baby.

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by Gordon » Thu Feb 28, 2013 20:06

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NME_Awards and check if they've given anything to anybody of any worth (except for maybe Florence and the Machine) and then stop worrying if the NME is changing or if it is symbolic of anything.

Hint: The kids don't give a shit about guitar-indie. And it's no wonder.
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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by Gordon » Thu Feb 28, 2013 20:10

Circulation of the magazine has fallen continuously since 2003. In the second half of 2011, the magazine's circulation was 23,924, 66% down on a 2003 figure of 72,442.[1]
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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by linus » Fri Mar 01, 2013 07:32

Gordon says:

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Cheers, Gordon

Also this gives a broader history of NME award winners than just since 1994 (I probably last read it in 1992): http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/poppoll.html

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by indiansummer » Fri Mar 01, 2013 09:45

anyway, moving onto yr other point, this complacency then...
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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by Gordon » Sat Mar 02, 2013 07:28

a fog of ideas wrote:Cheers, Gordon

Also this gives a broader history of NME award winners than just since 1994 (I probably last read it in 1992): http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/poppoll.html
I probably last read it in 2002. And I have missed a single thing about it. I'd say the list of critics list, is not the same as the awards ceremony, but my point being simply the NME is not relevant to young people and doesn't say anything about them. And when it was it's busiest (since the Awards shows started) it was promoting crappy bands like the libertines, razorlight, and any other spawn of the strokes. I liked the Strokes at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight they're clearly nothing too exciting.
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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by MattH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:40

I literally just listened to three hours of actual Radio One.

I actually think I'm going to have a literal breakdown.

Where's the humour? Where's the intrigue? Where's the fucking intellect?

I don't know. But here's a tweet from Craig in Pinner. He loves that pointless interview we just did with Mila Kunis. He learnt nothing about nothing.

And we're all thrilled for him.
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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Mar 06, 2013 13:13

Has daytime Radio 1 ever been any different? At least you don't have to endure radio snooker with dave lee Travis these days. I'd call that progress.

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by MattH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 13:39

a layer of chips wrote:Has daytime Radio 1 ever been any different? At least you don't have to endure radio snooker with dave lee Travis these days. I'd call that progress.
I would say that yes, daytime Radio One has been different...

Mark and Lard were great. Colin and Edith had a vague interest in music. Nemone had a nice voice.

John Peel is having nightly spinning sessions in his grave for sure. So is Jo Whiley. And she's not even dead yet!
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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by ShaunBrilldream » Fri Mar 15, 2013 16:02

I've recently had a fair few emails from people looking for reviews that really should have a look at what brilldream is about before sending. 'UK glitch-hop auteur' anyone?

This is my favourite so far-

"(They) look like a junior Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds” – Simon Price, The Independent. Really Simon, really?

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"I think they'll very soon need to start booking larger venues in which to hold their meetings, as they are about to explode.” warns Uber Rock. Crikey.
And we just can't wait to make more mistakes and to fluff our breaks, and to stuff our faces with cake.

The FinchleyTed fanclub.

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Re: Music small talk, music big talk

Post by indiansummer » Fri Mar 15, 2013 16:08

glitch-hop sounds boss, in fairness
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