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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Uncle Ants » Tue Sep 15, 2009 16:11

MJHibbett wrote:I read "The Beatles Progress" a couple of weeks ago, a surprisingly candid fly on the wall from that first US tour. It had them doing proper swears and EVERYTHING, and loads of people saying HILARIOUS things like "I expect it to all be over in three months" etc etc. Mainly tho it was about how UTTERLY MENTAL the whole thing was, from a firsthand viewpoint I'd not read before.
By weird coincidence I read this (again) at the weekend having watched the documentary :) I loved the little vignettes of the four Beatles in their respective London homes at the time. Paul as Dr Asher's lodger, living in the spare room and pissing him of because he keeps getting Paul's phone calls; John in a big house in suburban no-mans land in Weighbridge with Cynthia, getting bored with his rooms full of pin ball machines and amps; George and Ringo living the life of Riley in a rented Mayfair batchelor pad covered in un-ironed clothes and overflowing ashtrays.

I know what you mean about the documentary. It's not often the material is that strong that it tells it's own story without need for any sort of voiceover.
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by southeast » Tue Sep 15, 2009 17:27

To add to those who have mentioned about the Anthology DVD, here's mine. The Anthology DVD is unbelievably good! I have watched other Beatles videos before but none can compare with the official Beatles release. I watched it back in 1995 when it was shown on the telly in Singapore and never bothered getting the DVD (thinking it’s only slightly longer than the TV broadcast) until last week when I was swept in the Beatlemania 2.0! Geez, it’s more like twice the length of the footage I saw on TV i.e. a total of 10 hours! That’s not including the extra DVD of the reunion stuff. The mid-period video footage of the Beatles is superb and gave me the goosebumps when I watched them: We Can Work It Out, Day Tripper, Paperback Writer, Rain, Strawberry Fields Forever, Penny Lane and all in full!

Seriously, all of us have some Beatles CDs, vinyls or tapes I’m sure but if you haven’t got the Anthology DVD, I urge you to get it! It brings tears to my eyes thinking what a big factor they have played (and still are playing) in my life and millions of others.

Oh I have the mono box set but I seriously doubt it’s limited (the word doesn’t make sense when you talk about the Beatles ). Like what has happened in many parts of the world, the shops in Singapore were inundated with customers wanting to buy the box sets but many shops sold out their lots.

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Sylvie » Wed Sep 16, 2009 20:24

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Gordon » Wed Sep 16, 2009 23:12

Except that the Beatles mastered Sgt. Pepper's in mono. The stereo mix was slightly more rushed. So in that sense it was important. I think the superman bit was forward rather than backwards.
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by MJHibbett » Wed Sep 16, 2009 23:20

It always sounds like "Never could be any other way" when I've played it backwards - and OH! when I discovered you could do that with tapes in a four track, i did it A LOT - but if you squint with your ears it's "We'll fuck you like superMEN" forwards, as long as you're prepared to accept they said it while being scared from behind by a man carrying a long ladder.

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Gordon » Wed Sep 16, 2009 23:28

Yes, you are right. I have a mono copy of sgt. peppers for £20 from an Oxford record fair. It was very important when I was 14. It has the tie-dyed record sleeve and everything. It was always a bit fake for the 1987 CD to have 5 seconds of outro on it... I think I should open up my storage box of Beatles' books and pretend it's a museum. I think I could make some cash.
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Gordon » Wed Sep 16, 2009 23:30

It smells so good:
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Ironically enough, that is my nose.
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by linus » Wed Dec 09, 2009 00:04

there's a rather splendid little programme on bbc 4 called '...sings the beatles' with vintage clips of other people doing beatles songs from the bbc archives

currently I'm watching buddy rich do 'norwegian wood', prior to that an excruciating clip of petula clark performing sgt pepper's lonely heart's club band as a 20's flapper (genuinely upsetting, yet weirdly compelling) and there's been joe cocker (yawn!), the carpenters, nana mouskouri, sandie shaw, cilla black and dudley moore and the korean kittens (excellent)

right now, since I typed it, they've got richie havens on doing a splendid version of 'here comes the sun'

I kind of like to hear weird and wonderful beatles covers than the beatles themselves

the five stairsteps cover of 'dear prudence' is too damn funky... that's not on this programme though

jeff beck is on now... that's my cue for bed

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Gordon » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:34

Any Bee Gees (not seen the fil-um)?
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Mr Bear » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:38

The Stevie Wonder cover of 'We Can Work It Out' is a total smash.

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by tompony » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:40

The Olly Murs version of the Stevie Wonder version of 'We Can Work It Out' is even better.

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Uncle Ants » Sun Dec 20, 2009 15:23

I've never sen this before and found it on Youtube. It's an old Pathe Newsreel reporting a Beatles concert in Manchester in 1963.

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by mutantchoux » Thu Dec 31, 2009 00:18

Uncle Ants wrote:I've never sen this before and found it on Youtube. It's an old Pathe Newsreel reporting a Beatles concert in Manchester in 1963.

Not long before that, they played Failsworth. It's now a haven for religious nutters, next door to a caravan sales place. But quit near PlanetMicro, so it'd not all bad.

Except it is. The Beatles were shit. Trite, obvious, done before tunes, dressed up in whatever clothes they could sanitise from the more adventurous folk around them. They had some fun early on, like making Ringo (I'm a drummer! I can't drum! My son is better than me, because of my neighbour, and he hasn't been born yet!) Starrr sing about "Boys", and letting John actually do something worthwhile (other than being shot) on some howling studio vocals. A big, scouse, collective percursor to Simon Cowell, except with some limited instrument ability. "Oh, we wouldn't have pop music without the Beatles!" Yes, yes we would. And by christ, it'd be a lot fucking better without those interminably shit cyphers in the way.

I don't mind Paul's first solo album, not sure why. But then, I quite like having toothache, just for that minute when it goes, and you feel like the King of All Creation.

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Rimbaud » Thu Dec 31, 2009 02:42

No Billy Childish?

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Wheatabeat » Thu Dec 31, 2009 09:14

I blubbed a bit watching Nowhere Boy at the pictures last night.
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Uncle Ants » Thu Dec 31, 2009 16:19

mutantchoux wrote: Except it is. The Beatles were shit. Trite, obvious, done before tunes, dressed up in whatever clothes they could sanitise from the more adventurous folk around them. They had some fun early on, like making Ringo (I'm a drummer! I can't drum! My son is better than me, because of my neighbour, and he hasn't been born yet!) Starrr sing about "Boys", and letting John actually do something worthwhile (other than being shot) on some howling studio vocals. A big, scouse, collective percursor to Simon Cowell, except with some limited instrument ability. "Oh, we wouldn't have pop music without the Beatles!" Yes, yes we would. And by christ, it'd be a lot fucking better without those interminably shit cyphers in the way.

I don't mind Paul's first solo album, not sure why. But then, I quite like having toothache, just for that minute when it goes, and you feel like the King of All Creation.
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by timahall » Thu Dec 31, 2009 16:32

I feel it hard to trust people who don't like the Beatles. It's like they're from another planet :)

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Re: The Beatles!

Post by indiansummer » Thu Dec 31, 2009 17:01

mutantchoux wrote:Not long before that, they played Failsworth. It's now a haven for religious nutters, next door to a caravan sales place. But quit near PlanetMicro, so it'd not all bad.

Except it is. The Beatles were shit. Trite, obvious, done before tunes, dressed up in whatever clothes they could sanitise from the more adventurous folk around them. They had some fun early on, like making Ringo (I'm a drummer! I can't drum! My son is better than me, because of my neighbour, and he hasn't been born yet!) Starrr sing about "Boys", and letting John actually do something worthwhile (other than being shot) on some howling studio vocals. A big, scouse, collective percursor to Simon Cowell, except with some limited instrument ability. "Oh, we wouldn't have pop music without the Beatles!" Yes, yes we would. And by christ, it'd be a lot fucking better without those interminably shit cyphers in the way.

I don't mind Paul's first solo album, not sure why. But then, I quite like having toothache, just for that minute when it goes, and you feel like the King of All Creation.
Thanks for adding the word 'scouse' there in an implicitly derogatory fashion.

The Simon Cowell comparison is rather odd. I can understand that you don't like them but it seems like you're trying really hard to squeeze some extra reasons in there that seem a bit contrived. We would of course have pop music without The Beatles, and for every time they applied someone else's experimental technique to tried'n'tested pop structures, it's perfectly valid to say 'if The Beatles hadn't done it, someone else would have done anyway'. The point being, of course, that like when your dad looks at a piece of modern art and says 'pfft, i could have done that', ultimately they didn't.

This is a pet peeve of mine, so sorry to be a bit of a twat about it, but it's a total myth that Ringo wasn't a very good drummer. There's plenty of evidence on the records and live footage to suggest that he was fine - he doesn't overplay because those melodies (still fresh and exciting to me, i'm afraid - not trite at all!) don't need someone to play like John Bonham or Keith Moon. If you want to hear someone really struggle to play Beatles songs on the drums, listen to the anthology recordings with Pete Best - yeesh. Ringo was fine; the 'he couldn't play' line is inaccurate and getting old.
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by Wheatabeat » Thu Dec 31, 2009 18:11

indiansummer wrote:the 'he couldn't play' line is inaccurate and getting old.
The "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles" quote though remains genius however.
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Re: The Beatles!

Post by indiansummer » Sat Jan 02, 2010 09:03

Wheatabeat wrote:The "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles" quote though remains genius however.
Oh aye, it really is! I also like this gem:

"What do you call that haircut?"

"Arthur."

Probably fair to say they were pissing about in press conferences.
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