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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:10

Wow. Simon Price managed to review an entire album in under 75 words there.

I'm pretty sure some journalists have templates and just change the names.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by indiansummer » Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:14

i'm not a fan of simon price but i can see entirely why someone would think that of Veronica Falls

i reckon the Magic Numbers thing is at least a bit of a wind-up though
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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by indiansummer » Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:21

Veronica Falls are a band for whom it's perpetually 1986 and My Bloody Valentine never discovered their speakers went up to "supernova".

The London indie-pop quartet have a devoted following, and with close harmonies, chiming guitars and lyrics straight out of the Big Book of Indie Clichés (all shooting stars and cherry trees)
whether you like this stuff or not, that bit's difficult to argue with - familiarity's very much VF's strong point innit
they're ruthlessly targeted at a certain demographic. In honesty, though, it's nothing that Best Coast and the Magic Numbers don't do better.
that's the bit where it gets a bit twatty. "targeted"? hmmm. as with all music, i'd say it's targeted at people who will like it, y'big romo prick. and "in honesty"? not really the appropriate phrase for the subjectivity that follows

for a supposed tastemaker journo, price's writing isn't half boring
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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by sweepingthenation » Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:46

About a year ago Price got into something of a Twitter spat with Morris and Hibbett among others about indiepop signifiers which essentially ended with him pretty much going "TWEE! TWEE! TWEE! Annoyed yet?!? TWEE! TWEE!"

That may explain why his Manics book goes on about Guns'n'Roses as their influence and hardly mentions their otherwise openly discussed C86 upbringing.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by humblebee » Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:48

nik wrote:It is a bit over the top, but surely the Guardian review is closer to the truth than the utterly moronic review in The Independent?
Fucking hell. If Tim Berners Lee were dead, he'd be turning in his grave now.
Also...have you discussed that Stool Pigeon interview yet? You must have...point me there in case I'm failing at the internet.
Ah, so they ARE self-hating indiepop then. Thought so.

And now I know that they're going to hate every minute when they're playing in Sheffield this month, I'll struggle to enjoy it myself. Anybody wanna buy a ticket off me?

Fuck's sake.

I'll never trust a band that isn't the Deirdres ever again.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:56

I particularly enjoyed the comment about the childlike clothes. One look at the photo tells me someone's nicked a pair of kecks off a ten year old.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by Jay » Thu Feb 07, 2013 17:17

Thanks for the heads up on the stool pigeon interview. That's saved me some money.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by crystalball » Thu Feb 07, 2013 18:13

Well, those two links were fucking depressing, weren't they? Bloody hell.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by Dan Pop-o-matic » Thu Feb 07, 2013 19:16

That interview made me glad I illegally downloaded both of their albums (I was going to buy them both at the Sheffo gig, but I'm not going now).

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by RITH » Thu Feb 07, 2013 19:32

So when we say things like "it's all about the music!" what exactly do we mean? Or don't we say that? I'm not sure. But does this ruin in any way how good/bad a record/band it may be? They're quite good indiepop, whether they hate it or not.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by everard » Thu Feb 07, 2013 19:34

i guess some of the stuff in the stool pigeon interview is a leetle bit personal/rich/hypocritical given that they've headlined indietracks, and already knew what it was like, but, i dunno, i rather like it when bands aren't afraid to bite the hand that feeds them.

have personally never thought of them as indiepop, more like classic indie.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by crystalball » Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:26

RITH wrote:So when we say things like "it's all about the music!" what exactly do we mean? Or don't we say that? I'm not sure. But does this ruin in any way how good/bad a record/band it may be? They're quite good indiepop, whether they hate it or not.
I think we say "It's not just about the music", don't we? :) And I guess that's why this is such a small scene.

It doesn't ruin the songs but it does make you wonder if you can be arsed (with them, not indiepop!). For me it is not even so much because of the self-hating thing (which is disingenuous, as everard pointed out - plus: TOTALLY INDIEPOP!) but mostly because of their dissing of gigs in York, Sheffield, Wrexham or whatever - and the implication that unless a gig is packed, it's basically not worth doing. That's just a very a shit thing to say in an interview. The people who went along to see them and the promoters could be reading that. It's a shit thing to say.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:42

If someone can't find beauty in York there's summats wrong. I'm talking about the pubs, mainly.

I think it's still a great album, and I don't think we have to agree or be in love with our pop stars too much, but... everything everyone else has said really. I'm sure a few of us could tell a story or two.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by sweepingthenation » Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:55

Well, I think between us we've ensured Michael Hann will never be kind about an Anorak band ever again.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by Jay » Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:57

RITH wrote:So when we say things like "it's all about the music!" what exactly do we mean? Or don't we say that? I'm not sure. But does this ruin in any way how good/bad a record/band it may be? They're quite good indiepop, whether they hate it or not.
The only conclusion I can draw from that interview is that Veronica Falls are a bunch of wankers. I could try to be polite about it, beat about the bush a little, but life's too short, they're a bunch of wankers. Do I want to give my money to a bunch of wankers? Actually, no, no I don't. I'm not naive enough to believe I haven't bought records by a bunch of wankers before, but in my defence I didn't know they were at the time.

I've only got a finite amount of money, very finite as it goes, while there are an almost infinite number of records I would like to buy. I can't think of any good reason why I should give that money to a bunch of wankers when I could give it to someone I actually quite like. I've no doubt at all that I'd like the new Veronica Falls albums. I'm sure it's very good. But neither have I any doubt that there are literally thousands of other albums out there that I'd like just as much that would give me just as much pleasure. There's more music out there that I like than I will ever have time to listen to, even if that's all I did all day every day for the rest of my life. Why waste any of that time listening to a bunch of wankers? So instead of buying the new Veronica Fall album this weekend, like I intended, I'll buy the new Tullycraft single and a few other bits from Fortuna Pop.

My favourite band at the moment are Allo Darlin'. I think they're my favourite band of all time. Your favourite band of all time should probably happen to you in your teens, but it's happened to me in my 40s. There have been many bands over the years whose music I've loved, but I've never felt the same attachment as I do to Allo Darlin'. I think the main reason for that is that they're all so damn nice. Any interview I've read, seen or heard and every time I've gone to see them live they've come across as such lovely people. I love their music, but maybe if they hadn't been such great people I wouldn't have gone out of my way to buy every single they ever released and travelled so far and so often to see them live. I would have made do with buying their albums.

So for me it's not 'all about the music'. It's a large part of it, obviously, but not everything. I don't think I realised that until I wrote this. I'd just prefer to give my money to nice people rather than a bunch of wankers.

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by nik » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:01

haha...see...this is the kind of discussion I was hoping would be happening in the 'Are indiepop people really all that nice?' thread.

I haven't been part of this "scene" for that long...six years or so...but I have become very involved in it and gotten to know so many people in it inside and out and it's such a huge part of my life. And I think we're all in general pretty decent and awesome....but to pretent that we're all saints, that nobody talks shit about others behind their back and that everyone is really supportive of all things indiepop all the time...come on. Which is why I found the Veronica Falls interview quite funny...silly thing to say, but also quite funny...even refreshing in a way...it's the kind of things you might say to friends, who you know agrees with you...not in an interview.

Are indiepop people really all that nice? Yeah...but we're also human...and act like assholes every now and then. And that's just life.

If anything, I like Veronica Falls more for it.
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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by indiansummer » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:11

crystalball wrote:I think we say "It's not just about the music", don't we? :) And I guess that's why this is such a small scene
but were they ever even in the scene?

the first time i saw or heard of Veronica Falls was on tour supporting Vivian Girls - who also have a lot of support amongst the indiepop crowd but i don't think they'd self-identify as indiepop either. they're both very much in the 'industry' side of things rather than diy pop. they're on the same label as Fleet Foxes, with a PR machine looking to get them in NME, Pitchfork, the Graun, etc etc

judging by the new record (certainly in comparison to the old one) their ambitions are far less indietracks and far more radio 2. they seem to be getting there, so fair fucks to em

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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by nik » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:20

indiansummer wrote:but were they ever even in the scene?
no. I don't think they ever were or ever aspired to be. Which is why I don't think it really matters. I think I would probably have been more annoyed if they had been talking about how much they adored hanging out at indietracks.

Sometimes it's nice to have favourite bands who aren't trying to be your best friends. It makes you think a bit more objectively about the music.

Obviously, having your best friends be in your favourite bands is all sorts of awesome as well.
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Re: Veronica Falls

Post by stolenwine » Mon Feb 11, 2013 00:46

i think people are being a little harsh. there's a lot of hate going on here just because veronica falls said some things that people didn't like but i don't think that makes them wankers (aside from marianthi's point that they were being mean about cities, and promoters could read that and feel shitty. that's kind of wankerish but at the same time, i guess they got asked the question and were trying to answer honestly) and i definitely wouldn't stop buying their records just because they've said people who like c86/say their band has a c86 sound are rubbish. i mean, yeah, it sounds like they're looking down their nose at "the scene" but i don't think that makes them evil. there are much worse things a band can say/do (eg. RACIST THINGS*) and what they said is pretty tame compared to that. but i don't really see VF as being part of "the indiepop scene" either (even though i first saw them at an HDIF gig) so maybe that's why what they said didn't really annoy me?

people in bands being assholes CAN (and has!) put me off bands but that hasn't happened with veronica falls. not really sure why, but sometimes it matters to me and sometimes it doesn't. and i still really love the new record!

*and even then, racist things doesn't really stop me being in love with morrissey. and i'm an actual racial minority.
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