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Re: Orange Juice

Post by islandhopper » Mon Sep 14, 2009 09:19

Oh, he's playing here next month. The 1990s are supporting and I imagine there'll be no Fannies, but I should definitely go anyway.

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by darvé » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:21

Doesn't Norman Blake manage the 1990s or something? Theres a fair chance if thats the case he'd be there at least.

Can i echo Ian's sentiment for Indietracks next year, that would just be perfect.
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Re: Orange Juice

Post by ian » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:51

The whole gig's on YouTube. I have to say, I got a little emotional watching it.
Just when you think you can't love the Fannies any more, they do this. And Edwyn looked and sounded in wonderful form. He's frail, of course, but the fire with which he tore into some of the songs is astonishing.
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Re: Orange Juice

Post by roobee » Mon Sep 14, 2009 14:06

I can't believe I was in pissing Elgin when this all happened. The youtube footage is ace. Again, again!

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by rattlebag » Sat Sep 19, 2009 06:07

That gig looks astonishing.

Is it true that Domino are going to fully reissue the catalogue in 2010? I can't wait to get Rip It Up for an acceptable price on cd!

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by timahall » Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:12

Unbelievable!

http://techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0146316418.shtml

After all Edwyn's been through these last few years, WB have the audacity to do this. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour.

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by RITH » Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:28

timahall wrote:Unbelievable!

http://techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0146316418.shtml

After all Edwyn's been through these last few years, WB have the audacity to do this. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour.
This is the way his wife/manager replies to this situation (from the comments section):
Grace Maxwell wrote:The company is not malicious, just rubbish at knowing what it does and doesn't own. They own so much, you see, they assume they own everything and attach ISRC codes will nilly. This particular infringement comes from our having licensed the track on a non exclusive basis to be used on a Charlie's Angels soundtrack. Even the business affairs guy at Warner UK whom I have been dealing with seems powerless to wrest the track from the system. Like I say, not evil, just slack and hidebound. We're not bitter or furious, we know our industry well. Edwyn's career spans thirty years. It simply amuses me to hear them wail about copyright theft. I think the word is hubris.
Also funny to see Wheatus pop up there in the comments. Remember Wheatus? I almost didn't, but do now. This seems quite unrelated to the original article, but it's nice to see not everyone thinks like Lily Allen.
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If you don't want your music leaked then don't give it to anyone you think might leak it. If your "record deal" stipulates you must then grow a pair and try to get out of it... you are in the life you chose and chastising the working people who made it all possible for you is some spoiled brat bullshit.

Home taping didn't kill music in the late 70'early 80's, it helped it. So does piracy help the cream rise to the top today. The artificial market place you were used to is being replaced by a real one.

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by islandhopper » Sat Oct 24, 2009 14:13

So, I saw Edwyn Collins last night and he was really rather brilliant. I was expecting a fairly low-key performance, what with the sound of his most recent records and all, and I didn't know how much old stuff he still played either. They started with Falling & Laughing though and ended about an hour and a half later with Blue Boy and played a storming set for that entire time. Edwyn's voice still sounds wonderful and he was clearly enjoying himself.
The gig was in a small town in a seated theatre, so I was a bit worried about the atmosphere, especially as the crowd looked as if they'd just turned up for their one night a year of culture. I thought I had been proved right with the reception the 1990s got, but it turns out they were just waiting for Edwyn as he got an amazing response and even a couple of standing ovations at the end.
I got a chance to talk to the very lovely Grace at the end of the night about the whole Warners thing and I think the whole legal thing has got even more complicated since then. She's not worried at all though and is just really excited about all the support she's got from people online and the hopefully non-corporate route music can now take.

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by northernlight » Sat Oct 24, 2009 15:11

islandhopper wrote:So, I saw Edwyn Collins last night and he was really rather brilliant. I was expecting a fairly low-key performance, what with the sound of his most recent records and all, and I didn't know how much old stuff he still played either. They started with Falling & Laughing though and ended about an hour and a half later with Blue Boy and played a storming set for that entire time. Edwyn's voice still sounds wonderful and he was clearly enjoying himself.
The gig was in a small town in a seated theatre, so I was a bit worried about the atmosphere, especially as the crowd looked as if they'd just turned up for their one night a year of culture. I thought I had been proved right with the reception the 1990s got, but it turns out they were just waiting for Edwyn as he got an amazing response and even a couple of standing ovations at the end.
I got a chance to talk to the very lovely Grace at the end of the night about the whole Warners thing and I think the whole legal thing has got even more complicated since then. She's not worried at all though and is just really excited about all the support she's got from people online and the hopefully non-corporate route music can now take.
Good stuff!

Apparently Grace and Edwyn are working on issuing a box set of OJ work - albums, b-sides, videos/ promos - the lot. I think that this is still a work-in-progress, without a release date yet.

I saw him play on 3 consecutive nights in August (he did a bit of a residency). Here is what I wrote after I had returned from the first night of seeing him.




Tonight I went to see Edwyn Collins.

I was unsure how it would be, how Edwyn would be.

He walked onstage accompanied by his walking stick, still noticeably paralysed on one side of his body. But he was certainly moving more freely than when I saw him in a documentary 6 months ago.

Straight into the songs. Falling and Laughing first. Classic Orange Juice song. Edwyn's backing band was 3 acoustic guitarists, and one guy playing the bongo drums. Was like one of those MTV unplugged concert of the early/ mid 90s.

How was Edwyn's voice? Remarkably good. Again, he has come along yet further, more leaps and bounds in the last 6 months. Of course it's a miracle that he can speak, let alone sing, and it was a joy to hear his baritone voice again.

Falling and laughing sounded fantastic. Amazing backing band. Poor Old Soul next, followed by What Presence?

Plenty of fabulous tracks from his solo albums - a few from 'Hope and Despair' (title track, wheels in motion), from 'Gorgeous George' (Low Expectations, A Girl Like You), his recent album 'Home Again' (title track, One track Mind, You'll never know my love)

Special guest in the form of ex-Orange Juice bandmate Malcolm Ross, who added his guitar to the mass of guitars for Consolation Prize, my Dying Day, and later on for a wonderful Blueboy.

What other songs? (racks brain) I heard her call my name, ooh, plus a few others that I can't remember.. oh - how could I possibly forget Rip It Up?!!!

I've seen Edwyn play before in the 80s, and remember much of his entertaining mid-song banter. There wasn't so much of that tonight, but when it happened, it was funny - I've always enjoyed his humour - and there were a few chuckles from Edwyn and his band. One thing that stuck in my mind was when he asked his band what was wrong with them - they were all over the place! He was obviously joking - his band were outstanding. His songs have been given an acoustic makeover, and they shone all the more brightly as a result..

I should also mention that he seemed in good form physically - he looked well - and seemed in good form generally.

This is all a bit scatterbrained, as it's nearly 3 in the morning, and am not long back from all of this! It was just a joy to see him perform again, and perform so well too! Edwyn's voice struggled a little at times, but as he mentioned a couple of times in the gig, he'll get there. And on this evidence, I think that he will, which is a fabulous prospect.

A fantastic, memorable night - the appropriate phrase might well be 'simply thrilling'! He has a short residency over the next couple of nights, where he will be joined by Malcolm Ross again, along with Norman Blake and Ryan from the Cribs. I am tempted to go again on both of these nights.

If you like Edywn Collins, and get a chance to see him in the future, then definitely do go. I am so glad that I did.

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by islandhopper » Sat Oct 24, 2009 15:33

Oh yeah, he played a song that (Sandy alert!) he wrote with Ryan from The Cribs. It'll be interesting to hear some of that new stuff recorded.

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by northernlight » Sat Oct 24, 2009 16:37

Mentioned the Cribs song in something that I wrote for the second night that I went to see him. Details as follows:




Well, I decided to go to Edwyn's second night of residence..

Unsurprisingly, it didn't have quite the same emotional impact of the first night - but it was still fantastic..

Setlist pretty similar, up to the point when Norman Blake appeared onstage, and the band played 'Rip It Up'.

Kind of surreal, watching the singer of Orange Juice and Teenage Fanclub singing this song!

Norman sang the second verse - well, was meant to, and ended up singing a mixture of the first and second verse! Both he and Edwyn laughed.

Norman also stayed to play and sing on a wonderful 'Consolation Prize'.

Exit Norman, and an appearance by Ryan from the Cribs. He and Edwyn performed a song called 'What's My Role'. Is good, but, probably the least engaging of the songs that i've heard over the last 2 nights. But it had its work cut out to compete with another cracking set list.

No 'Dying Day' but another OJ song 'Don't Shilly Shally featured in the second encore, and Norman appeared for that one - and then they tore into a fabulous version of 'Blueboy' - 4 accoustic guitars, giving it loads - brought the house down.!

Again, Edwyn sang well, very expressive with his left hand, even with a bottle of water in it, splashing water around on regular levels! Little glimpses of his condition, with forgetting words in conversations between songs (he has a songbook with him to remind him of the lyrics).

The band were sensational once again - 3 guitarists, Tom, Andy, Carwyn, and an excellent percussionist, whose name escapes me. Tom plays the lead guitar parts that Roddy Frame usually plays when Edwyn performs in London - and was absolutely sensational. His guitar playing is worth the ticket price alone. Both Carwyn and Andy were first-class too.

Other songs that I remember now - Trouble Sleeping, Make Me Feel Again, oh, and at least a couple of others that I've enjoyed but whose titles I can't quite remember.

Spotted Edwyn's son Will to the left of the front of the stage, singing along to a few of his dad's songs..

So, once again an excellent night, which seemed to pass by in a flash.

I am planning to go for the third night too! A few reasons for that:

- Other Orange juice songs might get featured? If he plays 'Felicity', then I will probably lead a stage invasion (followed by no-one - it's a very polite crowd!)

- The show will be on Edwyn's 50th birthday, so might be quite an occasion

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by northernlight » Sat Oct 24, 2009 16:38

If anyone here is planning on seeing Edwyn in Glasgow tomorrow, then this has now been postponed until 11 December..

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by timahall » Mon Oct 26, 2009 17:54

northernlight wrote:- The show will be on Edwyn's 50th birthday, so might be quite an occasion
Sorry to be pedantic but Edwyn's 50th birthday was on the 23 of August. I know this cos they screened Dada With Juice in Belfast that night to celebrate it :)

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by northernlight » Mon Oct 26, 2009 18:17

timahall wrote:
northernlight wrote:- The show will be on Edwyn's 50th birthday, so might be quite an occasion
Sorry to be pedantic but Edwyn's 50th birthday was on the 23 of August. I know this cos they screened Dada With Juice in Belfast that night to celebrate it :)
No problem! I meant to say - when I saw him, it wasn't part of this current tour.

I actually saw him play on the 3 nights of 20, 21, and 22 August - and on the third night (all 3 shows started at midnight!), everyone in the audience sang 'happy birthday' to him! His son Will also brought out a cake to him, candles and all.

I didn't write about the 3rd night - but special guests for that night included Romeo from the Magic Numbers, as well as Malcom Ross and Ryan from the Cribs again. The set was longer, but no songs that hadn't been sung on either of the previous 2 nights.

The screening of DaDa with Juice soulds like a really nice way to celebrate his birthday btw! Was this part of a club, or gig or something - I didn't read anything about him planning ton playing in Belfast that weekend.. Hopefully it was well attended :)

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by Keg » Fri Oct 30, 2009 15:49

I happened to hear the new single from Beverley Knight earlier today. It's called "In Your Shoes". It repeats the old trick of sampling an old song and then adding new vocals over the top. Which song? Well, have a listen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4BOuTUPHbc

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by sweepingthenation » Fri Oct 30, 2009 16:00

You know this British R&B scene is very humdrum.

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by JefCostello » Wed Nov 11, 2009 18:34

I'm not sure if this is news, but most of the catalogue is being remastered and reissued next year by Domino.

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Re: Orange Juice

Post by aorta » Wed Nov 11, 2009 18:52

JefCostello wrote:I'm not sure if this is news, but most of the catalogue is being remastered and reissued next year by Domino.
Yay! Japanese imports are too expensive.
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Re: Orange Juice

Post by stolenwine » Wed Nov 11, 2009 19:39

islandhopper wrote:Oh yeah, he played a song that (Sandy alert!) he wrote with Ryan from The Cribs. It'll be interesting to hear some of that new stuff recorded.
oh yeah! i heard he was doing that! was the song good? i'm dying to hear it!
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Re: Orange Juice

Post by islandhopper » Wed Nov 11, 2009 20:32

stolenwine wrote:
islandhopper wrote:Oh yeah, he played a song that (Sandy alert!) he wrote with Ryan from The Cribs. It'll be interesting to hear some of that new stuff recorded.
oh yeah! i heard he was doing that! was the song good? i'm dying to hear it!
I don't really remember now! It was suitably rocky compared to his other newer stuff though.

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