Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

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Re: Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

Post by noLooking » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:45 pm

Intriguingly, this pops up on BBC 4 Friday after next:
Girl in a Band: Tales from the Rock 'n' Roll front Line
Kate Mossman tries to leave the clichés behind as she discovers whether it has always been difficult being a female member of a rock band.
Whereas I'm sure that it will be interesting enough and well worth a watch (contributions from The Slits, Carole Kaye, Kim Deal…), it reminds me of those tokenistic 'Women in Rock' issues that Melody Maker and NME used to do 20 years ago. I wonder if it might be a bit easier by now for women to be in a band if the media didn't insist on writing them out of the story whenever they are successful.

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Re: Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

Post by linus » Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:15 pm

I think a big problem with the BBC archive is it shows up how little they've actually documented, the really good and rare stuff comes across as a fluke that they've (often seemed to have) found on local news, regional music and schools programmes... generally they do a really poor job of documenting current music trends without doing it in a very cursory manner... there was a pretty good eighties indie programme that followed the first or second episode of this stor of indie thing that did a pretty fair job of representing the eighties until it went from half man half biscuit in '86 to happy mondays doing hallelujah on totp in 1989, nothing in between because either the footage doesn't exist or it was on presumably independently produced tv shows like snub tv and FSD and they carn't get the clips anymore (or if it was FSD had writing all over the footage coming in horizontally, vertically or diagonally, such were the times)

If it was a genuine public service broadcaster it would document British culture in all it's diversity and range, from the popular to the more esoteric, but it isn't and that's why it should lose it's public service remit and the licence fee should be abolished

There I've said it... yeh, don't fuck off the ageing pop kids, the BBC, or we'll fucking fuck you over


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Re: Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

Post by tonieee » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:21 pm

humblebee wrote:Good blogpost from yer man Hibbett:
http://www.mjhibbett.co.uk/blog/showblo ... logid=2962
Was that you lolling at romo? That was exactly my thought when I read it.

Mind you romo wasn't covered was it? Do you think there's an equally angry discussion over on romoforum.com?

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Re: Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

Post by noLooking » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:56 pm

tonieee wrote:Do you think there's an equally angry discussion over on romoforum.com?
Is that real?

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Re: Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

Post by Silver Girl » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:47 am

Ep.1 made me realise I'd been getting Jayne Casey and Jayne County mixed up for years...
"I don't know who you're talking about..."

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Re: Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

Post by tonieee » Fri Oct 23, 2015 11:22 am

andyi wrote:
tonieee wrote:Do you think there's an equally angry discussion over on romoforum.com?
Is that real?
Yes but it's http://romoforum.club/ not .com. Can't see any mention of music for misfits though.

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Re: Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

Post by humblebee » Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:31 pm

tonieee wrote:Was that you lolling at romo? That was exactly my thought when I read it.

Mind you romo wasn't covered was it? Do you think there's an equally angry discussion over on romoforum.com?
:D

Yep. I was lolling at romo before lolling was a thing. And probably before romo was a thing.

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Re: BBC Four - The Story of Indie.

Post by Cloudy Cat » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:45 am

That wasn't great was it? Not a mention of the Desperate Bicycles whose rallying cry surely inspired a dozen or more bands to form. What about Fast, Deptford Fun City, Step Forward? It was even worse when we ventured into the eighties when it seemed that only Rough Trade and Creation were of any note. Interview Amelia and yet don't mention Sarah or Subway or 53rd & 3rd. Strangely Industrial and Genesis P. Orridge had plenty of coverage which was certainly fascinating if somewhat indulgent.

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Re: Music for Misfits: The Story of Indie

Post by Cloudy Cat » Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:41 am

Dreadful. The three programmes, not Romo, which is beyond dreadful. As probably one of the few people on here that was into music at punk's conception and followed its development as it turned into post punk, indie, c86 etc., with a swift swerve away from Oi and Goth, I found the whole thing loosely cobbled together. Do we need to see the Pistols again? How are they indie? Sure they inspired plenty of bands to form and start their own labels but that's it. If you mention them then mention the Desperate Bicycles who actually did start their own label, informed those that bought their record how to release a record, the costs involved etc. and "sounded" indie. From that oversight I knew I'd find fault with the whole ramshackle mess.

Postcard got enough time but Fast was barely mentioned. Stiff got a brief mention but it was if the makers couldn't wait to wallow in the exploits of Creation and Rough Trade who fortunately had plenty of "hit" bands whereas Sarah who released over 100 records never creased the charts, even though Amelia made a brief appearance. Subway, 53rd & 3rd, Ugly Man, did these labels not betray enough indie credentials to warrant a mention? And what about Slampt in the nineties? I'm not sure the makers really knew what indie was.

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