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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by indiansummer » Mon Feb 01, 2010 16:29

Suspect Device fanzine in Southampton used to stock it and arrange subscriptions, but i'm not sure if they still do that. Maybe richpassivity will know?
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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Mon Feb 01, 2010 17:12

I just checked, they stopped the distro.

One day I will *actually* start a zine distro. I mean, there are some good ones out there, but I still find it hard to get old some stuff :-(

EDIT

I got an email back from Punker Bunker, they stockit regularly andknoc it out at 4quid a pop.
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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by indiansummer » Mon Feb 01, 2010 18:58

roundbitsofplastic wrote:I just checked, they stopped the distro.

One day I will *actually* start a zine distro. I mean, there are some good ones out there, but I still find it hard to get old some stuff :-(

EDIT

I got an email back from Punker Bunker, they stockit regularly andknoc it out at 4quid a pop.
Owch pricewise, but where is this Punker Bunker place?
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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Mon Feb 01, 2010 19:09

It's in Brighton. It'd work out WAAYYYY way cheaper than paying $4+$8 postage! Particularly if I buy a couple of issues (they said they have 47 &48 in stock at the moment).
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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by volcanogod » Tue Feb 02, 2010 08:37

roundbitsofplastic wrote:does anyone know if razorcake is available in the UK? I can't find anywhere that stocksit and I really am not up for pay $8 postage..
Hello

Jam sells Razorcake. I got the last couple of issues of of him. He was charging £3.50 each or two for a fiver. Nice! He doesn't like posting though he prefers selling them at gigs, i bumped into him last at the Punk'N'Bowl in London. He really does get around a bit too, best way to contact him is through the PUNTASTIC forum.

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Post by roundbitsofplastic » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:05

volcanogod wrote:He really does get around a bit too, best way to contact him is through the PUNTASTIC forum.
Thanks!

Who's Jam? WWill he be 'Jam' on that Forum?
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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by richpassivity » Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:54

roundbitsofplastic wrote:does anyone know if razorcake is available in the UK? I can't find anywhere that stocksit and I really am not up for pay $8 postage..
You can also get it from:-
http://sncl.collective-zine.co.uk/
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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by volcanogod » Tue Feb 02, 2010 13:56

roundbitsofplastic wrote:
volcanogod wrote:He really does get around a bit too, best way to contact him is through the PUNTASTIC forum.
Thanks!

Who's Jam? Will he be 'Jam' on that Forum?
Jam is a genuine fan and enthusiast of punk. His Punktastic name is 'Jam' really nice fella too!

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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by volcanogod » Tue Feb 02, 2010 13:57

richpassivity wrote:
roundbitsofplastic wrote:does anyone know if razorcake is available in the UK? I can't find anywhere that stocksit and I really am not up for pay $8 postage..
You can also get it from:-
http://sncl.collective-zine.co.uk/

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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by La-Di-Da » Tue Feb 02, 2010 19:01

Lawrence Arms UK tour dates:

23/03 - Unit, Southampton
24/03 - Croft, Bristol
25/03 - Cavern, Exeter
26/03 - Islington Academy, London
27/03 - Academy 3, Birmingham
28/03 - Crown Festival, Middlesborough
29/03 - Boiler Room, Guildford
30/03 - Cathouse, Glasgow
31/03 - Cockpit, Leeds
01/04 - Barfly, Cardiff
02/04 - Speakeasy, Belfast
03/04 - Whelans, Dublin

Is anyone else going?
I'm thinking Birmingham and get the feeling I'll be going alone.

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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by richpassivity » Sun Feb 07, 2010 13:50

The paper version of this came out yesterday:-

S.T.E. BULLETIN – FEBRUARY 2010!
Welcome to the latest Bulletin! Hope you like it. This is the first one of the year & even though there isn’t (at the moment) an (Almost The) S.T.E. gig until the end of May, we hope to put these things out as often as we can in the meantime. This does depend on getting enough column contributions to put them out though, so that’s where you come in!

If you are out of the area or don’t regularly get to gigs & want to receive this, then a few stamps will get you future copies mailed out. Alternatively, you can read the Bulletin contents on line at the South Coast; Collective-zine & Punktastic forums amongst other places, within a few days of the paper version hitting the streets (or at least the door of the Hobbit; Goblets or King Alf!) – web addresses can be found at the end of the gig listing section. Any feedback on the contents is positively welcomed!

If you would like to write a column; help copy/distribute this; provide gig info or help out in any way, then please get in touch at any of the contact points below. Deadline for the next Bulletin is Friday 5th March. Thanks to all those smashing people who have contributed columns or information; copied or distributed this or gig flyers; helped, encouraged, or who have assisted us in any way. Enjoy the Bulletin, get involved & stay punk! – Rich/S.T.E.

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I’m kind of a semi-Luddite, in that I take no joy in technology in its own sake. I know some people get excited by new developments and that’s fair enough – there’s always something glam about cutting edge developments and all that and maybe you really do get a kick out of watching ‘Transformers’ on Blu Ray instead of DVD on your high def TV but it doesn’t change that fact that it’s a fucking heartbreaking piece of cinematography that shits on my childhood. Personally, I have a slight fear of breaking things tempered by an awareness that often new technology means buying something that’s the same as what you already have only slightly better. To use the aforementioned example, it’s still depressing no matter what format it’s in. And this is even more apparent when we are talking about music. A great album is a great album and that doesn’t matter if I’m listening to it on my portable CD player, walkman or my mp3 player.

It took disappearing to Canada for ten months to convince me that MP3s weren’t just a way to get people to buy records that they already owned and that they weren’t a way to sell you records without there actually being a product manufactured (thereby making you buy something that has minimal overheads for the record label thereby maximising their profit). The reason why I was eventually sold? Space. I loaded my cheap MP3 player up with a load of albums and it fitted in my pocket. The same number of CD’s would have taken up half my rucksack.

But there are other benefits to MP3s as a format which as DIY punx, we should be excited about - principally because MP3s don’t physically exist, they don’t cost anything to make and distribute.

When I was kicking around the west coast, working a boring job and trying to save money I couldn’t afford to buy any new music. Although the job I was working let me listen to headphones, I was running out of patience pretty fast with what was on my mp3 player. I don’t know how I decided that downloading podcast versions of radio shows like MRR Radio (http://www.maximumrocknroll.com) and Flex Your Head (http://www.flexyourhead.com) was the solution to getting a new music fix, but it worked. Great DIY tunes, for free, most of which I didn’t even know existed and never would have checked out otherwise.

It’s hard for DIY culture to take over the airwaves. Ignoring that radio is heavily regulated, it has a huge barrier of entry. Podcasting doesn’t. Radio stations require licences and thousands of pounds worth of broadcasting and recording equipment. Podcasting requires some free software, a few records and cheap internet microphone. Very few people get on the radio. Anyone who’s able to access a PC with the internet can get podcasting. It’s not rocket science. There’s plenty of “how to” guides online including one I wrote for Last Hours zine at http://www.lasthours.org.uk/articles/ho ... -a-podcast.

In a punk rock context, podcasting is to radio what zines are to mainstream music magazines. It’s DIY radio without the radio, a free MP3 of tunes and thoughts that you can put out there for people to download and listen to at their leisure.

Obviously it’s MP3s as a format that makes this possible because the files are free to make and distribute. Without a physical product, there’s no overheads and the show can just be given away to anyone who finds it on the internet no matter where they are in the world. The really hard part is letting them know it exists in a sea of information, not creating the show.

I’m intrigued as to why more punx aren’t involved in this medium. With music zines supposedly on the decline, I’m wondering why I haven’t noticed more people shifting format. Why not record an interview and play a track after it in a podcast rather than transcribe it in a zine and struggle to describe what the band sounds like, then have to pay to get the zine printed and then have to sell it? I’m not advocating people stop making zines, far from it – I like music zines and I think they’re a vital part of the DIY scene - but with podcasting affordable and easy, I’d like to see a scene running in tandem, complimenting it.

With Ten Songs (http://www.tensongspodcast.blogspot.com ), I’ve deliberately tried to promote Southampton bands. Just as music zines often highlight what’s going on locally, promoting bands and projects to the outside world, I don’t see why podcasting cannot fulfil a similar role. I mean, there could be a show in every city, spinning a mix of international tunes and local records, reading out local show listings and recording live sessions or playing whole demos of local bands. In this way, the Toronto college radio show/podcast EqualisingXDistort (http://www.equalizingxdistort.blogspot.com ) is an inspiration. They even do a print zine with record reviews and interview transcripts.

As well as opening up new mediums, the non-existent production cost for MP3’s also means that the cost of putting out an album now could be reduced to the cost of recording. When you consider that CD is increasingly being viewed as a dead format and putting out vinyl is a risky business this is important, particularly in recession. Most DIY labels are a labour of love that swallow disposable income & understandably, when your financially fucked, the last thing on your mind is putting out a 7" that might sell 50 copies. A download means that there is a much lower level of risk involved than in putting out a physical record – there’s no serious financial investment to claw back and there’s no chance of being stuck with 900 CD’s under your bed because the band split up before it could sell any copies. The supply can in a very real way match the demand and it’s obviously good for the environment as well, because no one had to fight a war to process a load of oil and turn it into a record.

This cuts out most of the risk involved in releasing music. Additionally, it redefines the kind of business model (ahem) that record labels operate using. By removing any kind of physical product, in theory, more money should go to the bands involved. The record label maybe would receive funding to cover advertising, website upkeep or whatever but essentially, by removing the physical product, what overheads/risk is the record label bringing to the table? How many copies need to be shifted to break even? As it’s considerably less, then in theory, it should receive less money because there’s less risk and expense which can only benefit the bands involved who still need to pay for recording, practice space, petrol money and all that shit that sucks money out of your wallet.

I’ve stumbled across a few sites on the internet that operate on business models that are possible because of this school of thought. There’s the If You Make It website (http://www.ifyoumakeit.com), where free downloads of records that have physical copies are available with the artists blessing. If we assume that any decent punk record is going to be available pretty quickly by illegal download anyhow, there is a wisdom in just deciding to give it away. With so much information available online, it’s hard to see the woods from the trees, so by creating a space that’s familiar and well promoted, the odds are that more people will check out your project. Not great if you are worried that downloading for free will affect the number of units shifted but a smart idea if you are more concerned with the idea that you want people to hear your music with the lowest possible barrier of entry. Isn’t this what initiatives like deliberately low door and record costs are supposed to be about too? Let’s be honest – if I was THAT into your band I’d buy the record anyhow and without the internet I’d probably have never known your DIY project existed to start with.

Quote Unquote Records (http://www.quoteunquoterecords.com), who have put out releases by CHEAP GIRLS and CHEEKY amongst other bands operate in a similar manner. I haven’t had a chance to properly check it out but unlike If You Make It, which features a whole load of cool stuff beyond free downloads and is more of a resource for pop punk and related music, Quote Unquote is a record label that doesn’t make any physical records. You can download stuff for free, but there’s the option to make a donation for what you’ve downloaded and a suggested amount. This seems to be an ideal model to me for future record labels. No real overheads in terms of finding hundreds of pounds to actually create physical commodities – making material available for free in recognition that you might download it for free elsewhere/it's more important to have someone hear a record than stop them from doing so because they can’t afford it – that there’s an option to pay money for the music so that what expenses there are can be covered and the band gets paid. Win. The role of the label then becomes one of promotion, like a traditional label, as well as providing some kind of visible “hub” in cyberspace, responsible for making sure that the material stands out from all the other crap online.

For me, there’s only one serious flaw in this. I like physically having records/CDs/whatever. I like collecting music. I like looking at the artwork and reading the lyric sheet for a band. I especially like going around people’s houses, drinking their beer and ignoring them, whilst I dig through boxes of records to see how hip they are. MP3s feel like a disposable format in a way that not even audio tapes are. But that’s easily fixable – just make a few physical items for people like me who have to own physical things and for everyone else, make things available online. The physical commodity doesn’t necessarily have to be a one sided etched ten inch anyhow. There are cheaper low-fi formats like CD-R’s and audio tapes that work just fine. I’ve noticed that a lot of bands are doing this with demos these days – the MP3s get uploaded to Mediafire, the link goes in the MySpace blog and there’s still tapes available if you want one. I find it interesting that what works for putting out a demo, isn’t good enough for a “proper” release. Why is a LP any more valid a format than a burnt CD? Because someone spent a crap load of money on it? What if in the future less and less people are able to spend that money?

In any case, you could even do a press of 200 7” instead of 1000 if you were that way inclined – like If You Make It, many bands on Quote Unquote have physical records put out by other labels. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

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LOCAL GIGS…
Sat 6th February – LAVOTCHKIN/CROCUS/ATTACK! VIPERS!/BETTY PARISO/KEROUAC – Southampton Goblets.
Sat 6th February – MASH ATTACK/XX CORTEZ/THE LIABILITIES – Southampton King Alfred.
Tues 9th February – IN-SANE/THE LIABILITIES/SOMBULANCE – Portsmouth Edge Of The Wedge.
Wed 10th February – GOOD TIME CHARLIES/YOU, ME & THE ATOM BOMB/ LIVERS & LUNGS – Edge Of The Wedge (Haiti Aid).
Thurs 11th February – THE COMPUTERS/THE ARTERIES –Southampton Unit.
Sat 13th February – TRC/HEART IN HAND/FORT VALLANCE/FROM WHICH IT CAME – Bournemouth Ibar.
Sat 13th February – AFTERNOON GENTLEMEN/CLOSURE/TORN APART – Brighton Hobgoblin.
Sat 13th February – LONDON/PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF MERCIA/DJ IAN PT – Brighton Greenhouse Effect
Sun 14th February – SAM RUSSO/CYNICS/JAMES HULL/TIM VANTOL/ DON’T LET PARIS FOOL YOU – Southampton Homestead.
Mon 15th February – SATURDAY’S KIDS/EVARISTE GALOIS/BREAK THE HABIT/KEPT BY CASINO – Brighton Hector’s House.
Mon 15th February – CANNABIS CORPSE/CRYPSIS/CHAOSPHERE – Brighton Engine Room.
Fri 19th February – THE ARTERIES/THE SOCIAL CLUB/ROOFTOPS/THIS BUSINESS IS CLOSED/SAUNA YOUTH – Brighton Cowley Club.
Sat 20th February – CHRIS MURRAY/THE SKINTS/RANDOM HAND/ MOUTHWASH – Brighton Prince Albert.
Thurs 25th February – 999 – Bournemouth Champions.
Fri 26th February – VITAMIN X/ATTACK! VIPERS!/LIKE GRENADES – Engine Room.
Sat 27th February – SAUNA YOUTH/BROTHERS/LIKE GRENADES/ MARWOOD – Goblets.
Sun 28th February – WHITEMARE/OUR TIME DOWN HERE/CUTTING CLASS/BURN ALASKA/SAUNA YOUTH – Hector’s House.
Wed 3rd March – STIFF LITTLE FINGERS/PENETRATION – Brighton Concorde 2.
Thurs 4th March – A LOSS FOR WORDS/ALL OR NOTHING – Unit.
Thurs 4th March – STIFF LITTLE FINGERS – Portsmouth Wedgewood Rooms
Mon 8th March – STIFF LITTLE FINGERS/PENETRATION – Bournemouth Academy.
Wed 10th March – JOEY CAPE; TONY SLY & JON SNODGRASS – Unit.
Friday 12th March – THE PEACOCKS/THE RAZORBLADES/THE HOTLINES – Prince Albert.
Fri 19th March – BANGERS/THE ARTERIES/THE SMOKING HEARTS/ KELLY KEMP & EL MORGAN – Goblets.
Sat 20th March – THE VIBRATORS/THE ADJUSTERS/XX CORTEZ – Southampton Hamptons.
Tues 23rd March – THE LAWRENCE ARMS/YOU, ME & THE ATOM BOMB/ABOVE THEM/UNDER STARS & GUTTERS - Unit.
Tues 23rd March – FRANK TURNER/CHUCK RAGAN/CRAZY ARM – Portsmouth Pyramids.
Wed 24th March – NEW MODEL ARMY – Southampton The Brook.
Friday 26th March – PENETRATION – Southampton Talking Heads.
Mon 29th March – HAMMERS/CROCUS/BONESTORM – Hector’s House.
Wed 7th April – IMPERIAL CAN/ONSIND/FASHANU/MEGA GAMES 2 – Goblets.
Wed 7th April – THE FAILURES UNION/BEDFORD FALLS/CHILLERTON/ LIVERS & LUNGS – Edge Of The Wedge.
Fri 9th April – FACEL VEGA/THE SCEPTRES – Cowley Club.
Sun 11th April – CONSTANT STATE OF TERROR/WHOLE IN THE HEAD etc – Prince Albert (Ad’s farewell gig!).
Thurs 22nd April – FAKE PROBLEMS – Wedgewood Rooms.
Sun 23rd May – Almost The S.T.E. All-Dayer – Southampton The Hobbit.
Sun 22nd August – Almost The S.T.E. All-Dayer – The Hobbit.
Sun 12th December – Almost The S.T.E. All-Dayer – The Hobbit

MY HEART & THE REAL WORLD WITH RICH…
Can’t believe we are into the first week of February already! Where does the effing time go to? After finishing last year with an amazing all-dayer for mine & Ad’s birthday, (Almost The) S.T.E. don’t have any more gigs booked at the moment (although that could change if we get offered anything else too mouth-watering to turn down!), until the Hobbit all-dayer on Sunday 23rd May. We have also booked all dayers for Geraldine’s birthday in August & the usual one for mine in December (Ad will be in Australia by then!) – see gig guide for details!

One of the reasons I haven’t booked anything until May is that there is plenty of other stuff going on locally – I had to leave out some gigs coming up in April/May from the gig guide due to space constraints. There are at least four/five different groups of people doing gigs in Southampton alone. One recent development to be noted has been the free (or at least donation only) gigs at Goblets. This is one of my favourite pubs in the city & their All Day Veggie Breakfast is delicious!

Been a good start to the year for me gig-wise. Enjoyed the ACTIVE MINDS gig at the King Alf. ZOUNDS in Reading was slightly marred by a poor sound for the headliners & some idiot ketamine ‘punks’ but HYGIENE & THE SCEPTRES were superb & in terms of straight down the line angry 80s hardcore there’s currently no one better than VIOLENT ARREST. Then at a packed Joiners, THE VIVIAN GIRLS delivered a great update on the C86/SHOP ASSISTANTS theme. Last weekend Geraldine & I went to East Sheen (Richmond) to see THE FALLEN LEAVES at a Home Guard club! Despite initially thinking we’d walked into something out of ‘Phoenix Nights’, this turned out to be another amazing set from a band who are pretty much my favourite band. Guitarist Rob Symons was in the original SUBWAY SECT & THE FALLEN LEAVES retain his classic guitar sound but with songs cut from an early WHO/PRETTY THINGS/DOWNLINERS SECT cloth. Hopefully they will be back in Southampton again this year.

Can’t reiterate enough how much we need column contributions to make these Bulletins happen on a regular basis. Ideally I’d like to put one of these out on a monthly basis, as I think it is important if for no other reason than to have a paper gig guide but can’t do that without people writing columns…
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GIG GUIDE:-
If your forthcoming gig in the local vicinity is not listed above, it’s because you didn’t tell us about it! Whilst we endeavour to make this listing as comprehensive as possible, the only way to ensure future inclusion is by letting Rich know about it via the contact points enclosed For up to date info about what is coming up check (as well as the local bands’ websites):-
http://www.southcoasthq.com
http://www.collective-zine.co.uk/cboard/
http://www.Punktastic.com/forums
http://www.southamptonhardcore.co.uk

CORE VALUES:-
The S.T.E. (Southampton, Totton & Eastleigh) Collective was involved in putting on regular punk/hardcore gigs in the Southampton area from Summer 1988 through to the end of 2002. We were a non-profit making & non-hierarchal collective made up of people like you & we only work(ed) with bands/individuals we felt some sort of affinity with – no contracts, guarantees, major label bands or business bullshit. We didn’t all hold the exact same views on everything but shared a common bond – those time-honoured principles of trust, honesty & a sense of community. Above all, we love punk rock & the emphasis was always on the gigs being fun (we aimed to ensure these took place in an environment free from violence, racism, sexism & homophobia) & on communication (hence this Bulletin!). Whilst the S.T.E. participants are scattered around the globe, we still adhere to & promote these ideals/ethics, which is why this Bulletin has been resurrected & why Rich & others continue under the Almost The S.T.E. banner…
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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by indiansummer » Sun Feb 07, 2010 14:36

I've been listening to Bent Outta Shape today, which has been awesome.
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Post by indiansummer » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:24

Crocodile God + Skimmer + We Grow Beards + The Grizzley Ends + Some Sort Of Threat in Guildford GYC tonight, for anyone in the area who's unable to get to Popfest... Get involved.
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Post by indiansummer » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:40

I've been rediscovering that Dischord anniversary box set that came out about... ooh, 8-9 years ago... (?). There's some really great stuff on it, and loads of the stuff that i wasn't so fussed on at the time sounds amazing to my ears now. Whether that be bits of hardcore i found too stodgy, or alt rock i found too yawny... there's some absolutely amazing stuff here.

Nic Fit by The Untouchables is still one of the best punk rock songs ever recorded.

Very slight downside - i still don't get Beefeater. Or any of Tomas' bands really. Can anyone explain what's so awesome about them? It leaves me cold.
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Re: Pop Punk! Punk Rock!

Post by roundbitsofplastic » Tue Mar 09, 2010 13:19

indiansummer wrote: Nic Fit by The Untouchables is still one of the best punk rock songs ever recorded.
Wait? Are you gonna tell me that Sonic Youth covered that and I never kenw it was a cover? I really do deserve to die.
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Post by indiansummer » Tue Mar 09, 2010 14:12

roundbitsofplastic wrote:
indiansummer wrote: Nic Fit by The Untouchables is still one of the best punk rock songs ever recorded.
Wait? Are you gonna tell me that Sonic Youth covered that and I never kenw it was a cover? I really do deserve to die.
Yeh... the Sonic Youth version's quite funny but the original blows it outta the water! Sounds exactly like what it was: a bunch of excited young kids getting far too delirious at the prospect of playing at stupidly high speeds, and struggling to keep up with themselves as a consequence.

Big on velocity and fun, that track. I'm going to listen to it again now.
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Post by indiansummer » Wed Mar 10, 2010 15:41

COR! The Beverley Kills are great
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Post by everard » Thu Apr 22, 2010 17:10

statues are over again in early may: only one northern show (leeds) which is a pity unless one lives in the south -- i fully intend to see them in brighton, reading, london & guildford.

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Post by timahall » Fri Apr 23, 2010 19:05

indiansummer wrote:Yeh... the Sonic Youth version's quite funny but the original blows it outta the water! Sounds exactly like what it was: a bunch of excited young kids getting far too delirious at the prospect of playing at stupidly high speeds, and struggling to keep up with themselves as a consequence.

Big on velocity and fun, that track. I'm going to listen to it again now.
Nic Fit by SY is a cover?!?! I'm off to find the original now.

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