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I haven't got a Myspace etc etc and so on

Post by humblebee » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:45

I believe I have made my feelings fairly clear about MySpace, so I won't repeat myself, but I just discovered this and I thought it was nice enough to copy and paste.
Jens Lekman wrote:Jens Lekman is now 23 years old and lives in the United States, he's single and his starsign is Taurus. I finally cancelled my MySpace account some time ago and someone grabbed it instantly. Get to know the younger American me: http://www.myspace.com/jenslekman

I abandoned MySpace back in February, or rather kidnapped it to my own domains. I felt it was an insult to everything I loved about popmusic. Everything that is unique and personal. I really tried to do something with it, I tried an audio diary, I tried communicating with people, but in the end the communication just felt so stupid and meaningless. And I can't help but feel like it's really designed for this purpose. I mean you don't sell cellphone signals to people who are discussing something creative or intelligent. I started feeling like a stock trader rather than a human, watching strange faces flicker by and clicking on the add button, add, add, add.... I have 12.442 friends how many friends do you have ?

Maybe I was aiming a bit too high, maybe MySpace simply is what it is - a giant billboard where you can write your name in the corner. I'm not too concerned with it, the whole Rupert Murdoch deal and all that, I just decided it was the opposite of Jens Lekman and so I left, I didn't even slam the door behind me. But something so uncontroversial turned out to be extremely controversial as my inbox filled up with angry e-mails. The site was still up there but it was empty, I didn't wanna give it up cause I thought someone would take the address and make it a fake Jens Lekman. Like they've done on Facebook and Friendster etc. And people kept clicking the add button, add, add, add... why the hell don't you add me ? What is this anti-effort you're engaging in ?

As soon as I had cancelled the account and been replaced by the 23 year old me I realised how lovely it was to have all these replicas of me wandering around the internet. Just like I've lately embraced all the misinterpretations in media, all the misquotings, the rumours and misunderstandings. It's beautiful. It's out of my control and it's such a central point in me and my music. She said it was make-believe, I thought she said Mapleleaves... Actually I would like to encourage you all to create as many fake Jens Lekmans as you want. But don't send them to me, send them off in a new direction.

I'm here, always. If you want me to add you, send me an e-mail and I'll write your name on the back of my hand.

With flavour of passionfruit,
Jens Lekman
Feel free to ignore this thread completely because the arguments have been done to death.

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Post by crystalball » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:57

That's dead good. I love it.

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Post by a layer of chips » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:01

It's a bit of a shame Jens Lekman is shit, though.

Sorry.

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Post by Contravene » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:03

Bah, its worse when the fake yous end up being more successful than yersel
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Post by crystalball » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:04

tastyzine wrote:It's a bit of a shame Jens Lekman is shit, though.

Sorry.
Well, whatever you might think of his music, he is making a good point and he's making it brilliantly.

And he's got at least four good songs.

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Post by tompony » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:05

I like Jens Lekman. It's a shame he's not on facebook, as I'd love to challenge him to a game of scrabble. He's good with words, so he'd probably win.

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Post by Jono Volpone » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:05

The horses just don't gossip anymore

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Post by DimitraDaisy » Mon Oct 29, 2007 14:49

tastyzine wrote:It's a bit of a shame Jens Lekman is shit, though.

Sorry.
Is he? Really? Because I think he's rather lovely, and I think I have fairly sound evidence.

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Post by a layer of chips » Mon Oct 29, 2007 14:53

I'll see you in court.

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Post by humblebee » Mon Oct 29, 2007 14:57

Jono2cv wrote:Shock Horror!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... ID=7198020
Ugh, I hate that performance. It's way too slow!

I've totally put this thread in the wrong forum, haven't I.

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Post by crystalball » Mon Oct 29, 2007 15:11

humblebee wrote:I've totally put this thread in the wrong forum, haven't I.
No you haven't. This is totally 'random music talk'.

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Post by Trev » Mon Oct 29, 2007 15:58

I am for and against My Space is equal measures I think.

When I first started using it, it was clunky, hard to find decent bands etc. This was back when my website has just started and not many people knew I had website. But I set up an account and went looking for decent bands on My Space ( I found a few - Bubblegum Lemomade, Strawberry Whiplash etc). But that was that.

Then something changed and I started getting heaps of friend requests from bands (most not so good, but some good) and it became a great place to scout for new bands to review etc. So, in the long run, I have gained more than I lost by having a My Space. Our Manhattan Love Suicides gigs, singles etc - none would have happened if it wasn't for My Space.
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Post by humblebee » Mon Oct 29, 2007 16:09

lostmusic wrote:Our Manhattan Love Suicides gigs, singles etc - none would have happened if it wasn't for My Space.
You can't say that for certain though, can you? If MySpace hadn't existed, the band would've built a website of their own and you might have found each other that way. I wouldn't deny that in some cases MySpace may have made it easier for some like-minded people to get in touch and do stuff, but there's a huge leap of logic from there to this commonplace argument that certain things "would never have happened" without it. There's no way of knowing. Promoters and labels existed beforehand, after all.

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Post by mutantchoux » Mon Oct 29, 2007 16:13

tastyzine wrote:It's a bit of a shame Jens Lekman is shit, though.

Sorry.

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with this comment, Jens gets a metaphorical two thumbs up (not a real two thumbs up. I'm not Paul Twatting McCartney) for that stuff he wrote. Apart from the "passionfruit" thing. Massive hippy. The thumbs are going back in my ears if he starts singing though.

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Post by Trev » Mon Oct 29, 2007 16:55

humblebee wrote:
lostmusic wrote:Our Manhattan Love Suicides gigs, singles etc - none would have happened if it wasn't for My Space.
You can't say that for certain though, can you? If MySpace hadn't existed, the band would've built a website of their own and you might have found each other that way. I wouldn't deny that in some cases MySpace may have made it easier for some like-minded people to get in touch and do stuff, but there's a huge leap of logic from there to this commonplace argument that certain things "would never have happened" without it. There's no way of knowing. Promoters and labels existed beforehand, after all.
I can say it for fairly certain - I would have ordered my record from Squirrel Records. And that would've been that. I would have reviewed it - maybe they would've got in touch after that - but it needed a place where people could leave nice comments and all. As much as I dislike My Space - it's put me in touch with loads of like minded bands. Sure they were there already, but without a common place to go - they were harder to find.
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Post by DimitraDaisy » Mon Oct 29, 2007 17:04

lostmusic wrote:As much as I dislike My Space - it's put me in touch with loads of like minded bands. Sure they were there already, but without a common place to go - they were harder to find.
Well, yes. Of course. That's what the whole internet is about, and MySpace is just an expression of this. But it such an ugly expression, I wish it didn't exist. In fact my one and only real reason for disapproving of it is that it is such an eyesore. Ugh. I think it is an insult to one's aesthetic sense, much in the way that Windows is an insult to one's intelligence.

(And I'm writing this on a Windows computer. Don't get me wrong. I actually like my computer. It's just that it seems to think I'm stupid rather a lot.)

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Post by Trev » Mon Oct 29, 2007 17:15

DimitraDaisy wrote:
lostmusic wrote:As much as I dislike My Space - it's put me in touch with loads of like minded bands. Sure they were there already, but without a common place to go - they were harder to find.
Well, yes. Of course. That's what the whole internet is about, and MySpace is just an expression of this. But it such an ugly expression, I wish it didn't exist. In fact my one and only real reason for disapproving of it is that it is such an eyesore. Ugh. I think it is an insult to one's aesthetic sense, much in the way that Windows is an insult to one's intelligence.

(And I'm writing this on a Windows computer. Don't get me wrong. I actually like my computer. It's just that it seems to think I'm stupid rather a lot.)

I have to agree that it is ugly. It is clunky. And it used to crash all the time - although it's got better at crashing. Not that it crashes better. It just crashes less often.

I'm a windows and not a mac type. Day job is kinda reliant on Windows. ;-)

If they could integrate the sleeker style of facebook with the music part of My Space I'd be happier.
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Post by darvé » Mon Oct 29, 2007 18:02

I think i've always hated myspace, but i like the bulletins that bands send, most of them are the only place to hear what they're up to.

I keep thinking i should just delete my account, but then i would lose that source of information, so then i think maybe i should just get rid of all the real poeple on there, but thats just rude really. So i'll just end up leaving it gathering metaphorical dust i guess.

..and the newest layout update is horrendous.
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Post by soft revolution » Tue Oct 30, 2007 21:56

The problem is that the whole thing is so very badly used.

http://newmusicstrategies.com/2006/11/0 ... pace-page/
I don’t need to tell you to get a MySpace page. You already have one of those. MySpace may not have the best user interface in the world, it may be dreadfully coded and poorly laid out, and it may be owned and operated by the man who’s mentoring Beelzebub himself on business management tactics � but you still have to have one.

After all: you’re in the music biz, and that’s where all the people seem to be. Since you’re there, you might as well use it to your best advantage.

Judging by what I’ve seen from so many bands, labels and other music industry professionals � and going purely by the laws of probability based on my unscientific survey of MySpace music pages, here are some mistakes you’re probably making on MySpace.

1) Using MySpace as your website
This is the worst mistake of all, so I’ve put it at the top of the list. If MySpace is your online presence, you don’t have an online presence. MySpace is for social networking. It is not where you do your business. Have you set up your office at the pub? Use MySpace to interact socially with people, and encourage them to visit your own site where you have control over things like design, content and functionality.

2) Using MySpace as your email
One of the great things about MySpace is that you can send private messages to people and they can reply. This is not an replacement for email � and if conversations go beyond more than one reply, you need to take it to real email as soon as possible. The messaging thing is about establishing contact. Once you have a real contact, then treat them like a real human being � not a MySpace arms-length ‘friend’.

3) Having an impressive background image
If you have a lovely photo as the background to your MySpace page, one of two things is true. Either: a) I can’t read large sections of your text because it’s the same colour as parts of your lovely photo; or b) I can’t see it properly because it’s behind large sections of your text boxes. It’s nice that you have nice photos. Put them on Flickr. Leave your MySpace background plain so I can focus on who you are and what you have to say to me.

4) Embedding lots of media
Your MySpace page is not one of the TV channels. I know how to use YouTube. I have not come here to watch videos. I want to know who you are and what you do, so that I will know whether to (and how to) interact with you. If you represent more than one artist, and they all have a video, then set up subsites on your own website and direct people there. One video per page, preferably. If you must put a video on your MySpace page (Really? Are you sure?) then whatever you do, make sure it doesn’t autoplay the moment I load your page. It’s bad enough I get music playing the second I open your page. Nothing scares the casual visitor away like simultaneous multiple sound sources.

5) Writing lots of text
Remember - this is a place to meet people and interact with them. Starting off with a 3,000 word essay’s not the greatest ice-breaker in the world. Be brief. Be engaging. They’re after a quick synopsis � not a complete history. Again, direct them to your website if you feel it’s appropriate to make your entire autobiography known.

Remember: MySpace is a tool. It’s one of many. It’s not your only shot at engaging with your audience or prospective market. It’s an important one though, and it’s one that it’s very easy to make mistakes with. Use it well.

There are plenty of other tips for using MySpace � and other social networking sites too. I’ll have more over the next week.
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Post by humblebee » Thu Jan 24, 2008 15:05

(This is sort of further to recent discussions about ripping stuff from Myspace when the artist hasn't enabled downloads.)

On Myspace now they've made it so that, even if the artist has enabled downloads, you can download songs only if you're logged in. So therefore, obviously, you're never allowed to download anything ever if you haven't got a Myspace.

So it's even more shit than it was before!

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