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RATM vs X Factor

Post by indiansummer » Tue Dec 15, 2009 14:40

I am personally going to buy 800,000 physical copies of the X Factor single, and then deliver them by hand to everyone who signed up to that bloody facebook group.
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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by moopind » Tue Dec 15, 2009 14:42

I bet hardly any of them buy the Rage Against The Machine track anyway.
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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by soft revolution » Tue Dec 15, 2009 14:43

indiansummer wrote:I am personally going to buy 800,000 physical copies of the X Factor single
Ahh, the Louis Walsh method of achieving chart success.
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by tompony » Tue Dec 15, 2009 14:45

Wouldn't it be nice if a Christmas song got to number one at Christmas? I might start planning a twitter-based campaign for 2010.

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by caramarydaisy » Tue Dec 15, 2009 14:52

utterly ridiculous.

either way sony are laughing to the bank. i dont care if x factor gets to number one or not, altho on the song for song basis i prefer it to RATM. bleh.

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by MJHibbett » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:01

I bought it - I think it will be funny if it's at number one. Zack de la Rocha dressed as Santa, sharing an eggnog with Noel Edmonds on Top Of The Pops while Simon Cowell gets gunged by Mr Blobby - surely this is what Christmas is all about?

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Post by indiansummer » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:07

First off: i actualy like RATM, and that song. Secondly: i don't give a stuff whether X Factor gets to number one

I gather the pro RATM list is:
1. It's democracy in action
2. It'll show Simon Cowell that we won't do what he tells us
3. It's a slap in the face for everyone who supports Simon Cowell and is therefore complicit in killing music
4. It'd be dead funny
5. It's 'real' music and not manufactured

But the cons are:
1. They're both on Sony so either way 'the man' wins
2. It's not even a Christmas song
3. It's seventeen years old... hardly cutting edge
4. It's about institutionalised racism in the US police force
5. 'Real' and 'manufactured' make bugger all difference to the actual listening experience, e.g. Daphne & Celeste roolz whereas Kings Of Leon droolz
6. Er, Simon Cowell doesn't actually tell any of us what to do
7. It isn't really very funny. It's hardly Bruno Brookes playing the song in its entirity by accident
8. Since when have RATM fans given a fuck about the charts? Isn't that all just 'chart shit' or 'pop shit' and they don't give a fuck what's number one because it doesn't matter? So what's so fucking precious about the xmas number one?
9. Although there's lots of great xmas songs, it's not like the xmas number one was always incredible before Simon Cowell. There was always manufactured stuff.
10. That song is not as good as the Bob The Builder song, which would have been a much better, more positive protest song if they REALLy wanted to go down that road ("can we fix it? YES WE CAN!")

etc etc... i've got loads more but i'll be here all day.
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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by indiansummer » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:08

MJHibbett wrote:I bought it - I think it will be funny if it's at number one. Zack de la Rocha dressed as Santa, sharing an eggnog with Noel Edmonds on Top Of The Pops while Simon Cowell gets gunged by Mr Blobby - surely this is what Christmas is all about?
In fairness, i'd watch that.

On another note, i hope next year's x factor single is Killing In The Name Of.
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Post by moopind » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:11

By the way: when I saw the title, I was trying to work out what RATM was, wondering if it was a similar-idea competitor on another channel.
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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by tompony » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:29

indiansummer wrote:3. It's seventeen years old... hardly cutting edge
can you name a better song from the last seventeen years, though? of course you can't. nobody can. nobody.

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by Mr Bear » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:31

I think everyone should buy the Slow Club Christmas EP instead.

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by indiansummer » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:39

tompony wrote:can you name a better song from the last seventeen years, though? of course you can't. nobody can. nobody.
I think i've been quite explicit is saying that the Bob The Builder song was better.

Did the Snoop xmas album (that i've only just discovered) come out this year or last? Can't we just have Santa Claus Goes Straight To The Ghetto at number one?
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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by tompony » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:45

No way man, Bob the Builder is ULTR4 L4M3!!

Despite watching all of X Factor I think I'd be quite into this campaign if it was (almost) any other song, just to have something different at XMAS#1. It's such a rubbish choice though! Although I can't seem to articulate why, for some reason.

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by Mr Bear » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:47

The Snoop Dogg Christmas album came out years ago, I think. Well, Santa Claus Goes Straight to the Ghetto has been in existence for years anyway.

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by indiansummer » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:48

i know what you mean. I can think of shitloads of reasons not to buy/download the Rage single, all as contrived as the 'it's democracy in action' one for the pro-KITNO camp.

But ultimately nothing really sums it up as well as 'the facebook campaign is just a bit naff'.
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Post by andyroo » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:51

I saw Rage Against The Machine once by mistake. It was at a festival, I was getting a good spot for Nick Cave. Yer man kept shouting "YOUR ANGER IS A GIFT!". After EVERY song. So I always associate them with Christmas. What with gifts and indeed anger being such Christmassy themes.

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by sweepingthenation » Tue Dec 15, 2009 15:56

The only difference between the two is an X Factor number one is only supported by one self-satisfied tosser.

You just know the people who started the group use the phrase "real music".

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by indiansummer » Tue Dec 15, 2009 16:04

andyroo wrote:"YOUR ANGER IS A GIFT!"
"...Now go home and direct it at your parents!"

"YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH! Fuck you, mum and dad, for raising me comfortably! And especially for paying for my festival ticket, you soulless corporate whores, or something!"

As i said, i do like Rage.
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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by linus » Tue Dec 15, 2009 16:11

blimey, even I can't summon up pretend bile and outrage or indeed interest over this one

well done all concerned for managing to make a page worth of posts out of it

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Re: RATM vs X Factor

Post by indiansummer » Tue Dec 15, 2009 16:16

fogofideas wrote:blimey, even I can't summon up pretend bile and outrage or indeed interest over this one

well done all concerned for managing to make a page worth of posts out of it
i didn't think i could until my rockist friends started telling me how funny it would be if Rage were number one, and how it would be a FUCK YOU to everyone who likes the x factor winner (their mums and little sisters, mainly).

I started off rolling my eyes and remembering the failed Malcolm Middleton campaign from a couple of years ago and thinking that would probably happen again, the moved onto getting actually-irked and pretend-furious with everyone who tells me that it would be in any way a good thing.
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