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Post by Richard » Mon Nov 19, 2007 18:18

tastyzine wrote:Pablo - you have to remember that Jamie likes Maladjusted.

That new song is great. But when do tickets go on sale? 26th is a Wednesday, not a Friday. I'm deffo going.
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Post by Woodbine » Mon Nov 19, 2007 19:46

Oh fuck, I got my dates confused too and I don't get paid until Saturday, which means they'll all be sold out by the time I can buy one. Guess I won't be going to the Mozza ball after all.
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Post by a layer of chips » Tue Nov 20, 2007 08:06

Richard wrote: DiS were WRONG.
NEVER?! I won't have it!

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Post by lilialien » Tue Nov 20, 2007 18:14

i'm there!

the roundhouse is pretty good... as i remember...

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Post by roobee » Wed Nov 21, 2007 15:51

Pablo wrote:

Has no one posted this yet? I think it's marvellous.

I don't think I can be arsed to go to the Roundhouse. I've seen him twice in the last 18 months as it is
That does sound pretty marvellous - I hadn't heard it before. It's a bit beefy, isn't it?

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Post by a layer of chips » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:26

Anyone got the transcript from the NME's latest hatchet job on Morrissey?

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Post by SophieC » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:01

tastyzine wrote:Anyone got the transcript from the NME's latest hatchet job on Morrissey?
nope. i'll scour the internet for it. someone will put it up. i'm not going to start buying the nme now just so i can see the fearsome connor mcnicolas and his IPC goons savage morrissey for not having "views are not those that we'd normally expect to come from someone in the very liberal world of rock'n'roll". liberal? it's as full of boorish misogynistic reactionary dimwits as it's always been.

sounds like a rehash of previous statements to be honest. i'd be deeply surprised if there's anything new in there as morrissey hasn't revealed anything remotely personal in an interview since about 1984. he's always had an obsession with english identity though and the perceived dilution of it. immigration is part of it i guess, but he's also addressed the cultural creep of americanisation in, "america is not the world". saying that i've never agreed with his statements and i've always been deeply uncomfortable with 'bengali in platforms' in particular. at worst it's xenophobic and crass, at best it's ham-fisted. i don't think an english national identity is particulary something to strive for, but that's another argument.

this statement from his manager is very interesting anyway:

http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_071127_01

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Post by a layer of chips » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:09

Yeah, I've seen that statement. I expect it's a storm in a teacup. Morrissey is less relevant to the average NME reader than he was in 1992. I shouldn't think the story will hang around as long.

Still, little Josh from Surrey will tut in his bedroom whilst reading the piece, then probably go and listen to The Hoosiers. And so it goes.

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Post by SophieC » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:09

new dates.

Doncaster (Jan. 30), Sunderland (Feb. 1), and Edinburgh (Feb. 2)

Donnie indeed. He loves his run down northern towns.
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Post by Elvistears » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:27

That quote on the front is Enoch Powell, not Morrissey. Apparently he didn't use those words.

The idea of a national identity makes me slightly uncomfortable - it implies stagnation, defensiveness, even at its best. Even an updated identity suggests there is something to defend against change. Do we need to define ourselves as nationals of a country? Surely these things should be organic...

But I don't know. Sir William Bragg seems to think its a good idea. I can't remember why, but he's usually a trustworthy soul.

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Post by Trev » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:58

Hobart Paving wrote:That quote on the front is Enoch Powell, not Morrissey. Apparently he didn't use those words.

The idea of a national identity makes me slightly uncomfortable - it implies stagnation, defensiveness, even at its best. Even an updated identity suggests there is something to defend against change. Do we need to define ourselves as nationals of a country? Surely these things should be organic...

But I don't know. Sir William Bragg seems to think its a good idea. I can't remember why, but he's usually a trustworthy soul.
I think having a national indentity and being happy/comfortable with it is fine. It's when that national indentity consumes and defines you is where we can end up with problems of xenophobia/racism. I was born in England, to Welsh and Irish parents. I was brought up in Wales. I feel my indentity to be Welsh. But I don't think being Welsh defines me. It's my other views and just as importantly my actions that help shape the person I am. Not sure what this has to do with Morrissey. Who has probably been used by the NME to get their name noticed again. He should have known better than to tread down this road again. In many ways he's a little englander who has rosed tinted specs for an imaginary England that never really existed. There's been immigration and cultural change all my life time. And for a good 100 years before that. The National dish of the UK isn't curry for no reason.

Not sure what point I was trying to make.
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Post by a layer of chips » Fri Nov 30, 2007 13:26

Hobart Paving wrote:That quote on the front is Enoch Powell, not Morrissey. Apparently he didn't use those words.

The idea of a national identity makes me slightly uncomfortable - it implies stagnation, defensiveness, even at its best. Even an updated identity suggests there is something to defend against change. Do we need to define ourselves as nationals of a country? Surely these things should be organic...

But I don't know. Sir William Bragg seems to think its a good idea. I can't remember why, but he's usually a trustworthy soul.
Yeah, that gobshite Bragg said exactly the same thing in 2002. No-one picked up on that. It was around the time of his pointless Jubilee single. Which was shit.


Here's an interview I did with him at the time.

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/433/bragg.html

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Post by DefenderOfPants » Mon Dec 03, 2007 09:46

i have a bad feeling this is going to be responsible for two or three b-sides. at least!

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Post by SophieC » Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:31

blah blah racism blah blah. BORING! i think everyone will agree that the big morrissey news at the moment is that you can now buy a soap in the (approximate) shape of his face.

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Post by gloom button » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:08

That is maybe 5% Morrissey and 95% Sam.
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Post by SophieC » Tue Dec 04, 2007 14:02

Morrissey in his own words on his old on going racism/not racism fandango. I don't think he likes the NME very much.

http://www.true-to-you.net/
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Post by SophieC » Tue Dec 04, 2007 14:46

i think these might be the two most depressing things i have ever seen. If that letter's worth £50 then this picture of a cat i've just scribbled on a post it note is worth at least £20. i'm sending it in.

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Post by a layer of chips » Tue Dec 04, 2007 14:50

I know everyone in Louth and Malcom Bright doesn't exist.

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Post by linus » Tue Dec 04, 2007 15:15

JamieC wrote:Morrissey in his own words on his old on going racism/not racism fandango. I don't think he likes the NME very much.

http://www.true-to-you.net/
I think I'm on Morrissey's side here, the NME are a bunch of shitehawks, as are the Sun- both have an agenda they choose to pedal

has anybody had a dream yet about a bespectacled wig wearing Mancunian teacher being arrested for naming a Turner-prize winning teddy bear 'Morrissey' and subsequently condemned to the lash by the NMEofascists?

thus resulting in a legion of sun readers rampaging the streets armed with 'tuts' and 'deep sighs' at the injustice of it all

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Post by linus » Tue Dec 04, 2007 15:15

JamieC wrote:Morrissey in his own words on his old on going racism/not racism fandango. I don't think he likes the NME very much.

http://www.true-to-you.net/
I think I'm on Morrissey's side here, the NME are a bunch of shitehawks, as are the Sun- both have an agenda they choose to pedal

has anybody had a dream yet about a bespectacled wig wearing Mancunian teacher being arrested for naming a Turner-prize winning teddy bear 'Morrissey' and subsequently condemned to the lash by the NMEofascists?

thus resulting in a legion of sun readers rampaging the streets armed with 'tuts' and 'deep sighs' at the injustice of it all

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