I think I was the one who brought up the middle class thing initially, sorry I missed your response to it the first time, Mark. Like Trev, my evidence is observational, and this has got me wondering about where three of us in the thread have got the idea from, in part because, yes, how do you measure class?MJHibbett wrote:And that's why it's also meaningless to say "this audience is middle class". Compared to who? Compared to the income, life expectancy and living standards of people you and I grew up with pretty much the entire population is middle class. Compared to most of the population of the world, the same applies.Trev wrote:But thats why it's a toughie, I live a fairly good life. Decent job, some spare cash etc. To people I grew up with I'd be middle class. I identify as working class based on how I was raised but when I scrutinise my life I'd say I'm more middle class than not.
So the answer to "why is the scene so middle class?" is pretty much the same as the answer to "why is the scene so white?" Good. I'm glad we've sorted the one out. I feel like The Man Who Always Says "But Why Aren't We Talking About Palestine?" At Every Political Meeting now...
The race thing is arguably less subjective but ultimately also observational. The social group I have met through indiepop is the least ethnically diverse one I've ever been part of, though (and I did my undergrad at one of the whitest universities in the world).
This, this, a thousand times this. This.Carys wrote:
2. I'd guess that across genres, a vast majority of people in bands are men. It's impossible to quantify the relative numbers, but I have a feeling that, in indiepop, women are *over-represented* compared to who is making music across the board. I don't think it's a problem with indiepop - I think it's an issue that starts much earlier with girls not learning music (or at least not central instruments like the guitar) at an earlier age.
It's embedded in culture, and so no, it doesn't stand in isolation in a tiny music scene, it *is*, potentially - probably - linked to privilege and oppression and objectification and gender roles which start being imposed at birth, which all manifest themselves in a hundred thousand infinitely more serious life-altering ways than this, but it doesn't mean this isn't connected and isn't just another symptom of much deeper-rooted stuff.