my negative feelings about indiepop

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by ketameaningless » Fri Feb 11, 2011 00:21

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by sweepingthenation » Fri Feb 11, 2011 16:33

With expert timing, Elizabeth Morris says in an interview:
I think the indie pop scene itself is very cliquey. I love it because our band has been really amazingly treated by people in the scene and we’ve got so much out of it, but I’ve got friends in other bands who don’t do nearly so well... They don’t get any sort of attention paid to them and I don’t know why that is- it’s something about the mindset. The indie scene can be quite cliquey, to people outside that it can be quite hurtful. I’ve never really understood how it works, or why we’re accepted by all these people

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by linus » Fri Feb 11, 2011 17:20

we're not a hive mind

or are we (was that what you were thinking too?)?

I'd love to know which bands elizabeth's referring to there

I can't believe that if you got every indiepop mover and shaker in the uk into one big executive board room they'd have anywhere near the clout a junior booker at e4 would (to get bands exposure, up the ladder, better known, etc)

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by Trev » Fri Feb 11, 2011 17:32

hey, linus! wrote:I'd love to know which bands elizabeth's referring to there
Me too.

Although I can kinda see how some bands might think that about the indiepop 'scene'. But I am sure that comes down to taste and whether people think a band are good more than cliquey-ness. I think the indiepop world (if such a thing exists) should be going mad for Kid Canaveral. Sadly, they're not. And it's probably because the band aren't really an indiepop band (but they're great, either way). Contrast that, with Standard Fare, another great band who are also a band I don't really think of as obviously indiepop - they've got a ton of rock leanings, not to mention an obvious penchant for Fleetwood Mac - but yet, the indiepop crowd goes nuts for them (as they should, they're ace).
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by joanny » Fri Feb 11, 2011 18:55

What does "cliquey" mean?

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by moopind » Fri Feb 11, 2011 19:49

C'est à dire que c'est une coterie.
Ou qu'il existe des coteries parmi les gens qui aiment la musique indiepop.
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by ketameaningless » Sat Feb 12, 2011 13:30

my mrs has a theory that indie kids seem really sniffy and anti social but actually they are just shy. and im a bit like a big friendly dog who comes running up to them and licks them and it terrifys them. shes probably right
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by Jangloid Mark » Sat Feb 12, 2011 15:21

I really like threads like this where I can ramble on a bit...

Jason Pierce (of Spiritualized fame) once said (about Spiritualized being regarded as avant garde), and I paraphrase as I can't find the original quote, 'We're not. It's just that the so much of what's around now is so conservative, we seem so in comparison'.

He was right.

Regarding the initial charge about indoepop being a bit safe, a bit trad etc., well, hmmm, on one level, I can see what you mean, but, I tend to disagree.

It's true that it's not exactly Faust/Aphex Twin/Brickwerk/enter band of choice here, but, what we're talking about is essentially POP!!!! music.

Compared with such bands listed above, it can seem safe, but, then compared to the x-factor drivel that so many people seem to buy these days, it seems almost revolutionary. It really depends where you draw the line....

Also, within what gets defined as 'indiepop', there are so many quirks and kinks that you wouldn't necessarily find in other subcultures.

Think about it....nobody writes songs quite like the Bobby McGees, for example, who would have expected The Field Mice, one of the most revered of indiepop bands to come out with something like 'Triangle', where else would the Motown/girl group influenced 'The School', sit nicely with oddballs (for want of a better word, and meant in the nicest possible way), 'The Lovely Eggs'?

Some of it is twee, some punky, some just slightly odd...

As far as the 'wearing nice cardigans' bit is concerned, again, broadly speaking, any subculture has a dress code, but, while in a way, indiepop does as well, it's much more loosely defined.

Me, I'm the scruffy bastard in band t-shirt/ jeans long hair and doc martens (in fact, a few people that are now friends have told me 'I thought you were a metaller when I first saw you' (admittedly my hair was much longer back then).

I've seen blokes at indiepop shows in checked shirts (almost grunge style), I've seen blokes at shows in suits...

I do think that there is a sense of shared values, though. To my mind, there are two reasons for this...firstly, partly because of the DIY aspect of much of indiepop - and the fact that there is rarely much, if any money to be made (in fact I have seen several people say on here that they have actually LOST money), and the fact that many of the bands just do what they do because they do, without one eye on the 'big time'.

The other reason is purely down to demographics.

If there is an indiepop 'scene', it is very small. A lot of people know each other and know each other at least reasonably well...I don't think it's cliquey at all, but, I *can* see how people might come to that conclusion....
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by linus » Sat Feb 12, 2011 17:19

Jangloid Mark wrote:I've seen blokes at indiepop shows in checked shirts, I've seen blokes at shows in suits...
I've been undressed by kings and I've seen some things
that a woman ain't supposed to see
and I've been to paradise...

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by ketameaningless » Sat Feb 12, 2011 18:26

'many of the bands just do what they do because they do, without one eye on the 'big time'.

do you think people get looked at sideways if they have any dreams or ambitions beyond playing in a pub somewhere for free?
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by linus » Sat Feb 12, 2011 19:01

ketameaningless wrote:do you think people get looked at sideways if they have any dreams or ambitions beyond playing in a pub somewhere for free?
no, not for me (although it was mark what said it)

but there's a long long list of bands who've 'hit the big time' only to end up losing the very thing that made them special in the first place, which contrary to some people's opinion isn't their obscurity

there's plenty of bands I love I wish more people knew about and cared about and, most importantly, listened to- but not at any price, not if it meant the bands changed what I liked about them just to get heard

I'll stop listening to a band when I lose my enthusiasm for them (that's the same for anyone, I'm hoping) whether that's when their releasing 150 copy pressings on their own dogshit record label or being showered in cash by 'the man' (something I suspect doesn't happen very often anymore)

I think the hunger and urgency that drives some bands early on can be infectious and appealing but that presumably/sadly can't be sustained forever... however I think you can make a life making music without having to (hippie alert!) sell out or compromise, because there's plenty of bands who do

I suppose it's whether you see the 'indie' scene as a nursery group for aspiring musicians waiting to get signed to major labels or if you see it as an arena where bands can do their own thing free from commercial pressures, etc

I don't know, these sort of 'heated debates' seem to be a lot of overly well rehearsed arguments and opinions disinterred for yet another bi-annual airing... and I'm referring to myself here, rather than anyone else... it's nice to ramble but the longer I stare at my belly button the more it remains a belly button... type stuff

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by Sasha » Sat Feb 12, 2011 19:53

http://anorakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3979

That's my problem with the indie-pop scene, lol

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by Jangloid Mark » Sun Feb 13, 2011 18:55

ketameaningless wrote:'many of the bands just do what they do because they do, without one eye on the 'big time'.

do you think people get looked at sideways if they have any dreams or ambitions beyond playing in a pub somewhere for free?
The thing is this...I would love to see bands I love do well. There's absolutely no reason why, say, 'Let It Skip' by the School coud't be a number one hit....there are countless other singles that I could say the same about.

The sad fact is that nost people are simply not looking and there is no springboard/level-ish playing field anymore...

Nobody likes a band on the basis of how many records they do or don't sell....although, I'll agree with Andy that all to often in the past bands have chased the 'big time' only to lose what made them special in the first place.

My point, however, was slightly different. THere are few indiepop bands that do it BECAUSE they want to be big and famous. A fair few bands would like it if it happened (and there's nothing wrong with that), but, that's not what the driving motivation is....
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by ketameaningless » Sun Feb 13, 2011 22:10

i just find the lack of ambition a bit boring. whats wrong with admitting you formed a band cos you wanted to be on top of the pops and in the nme? i am an old, old man, like, im 29, and i remember when decent bands were on the telly. and it was great! until they all started taking cocaine and that.

i wanna hear standard fare's coke album. that would be amazing. like a jingly jngly second coming. hours of excessive jangling
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by linus » Sun Feb 13, 2011 22:42

29 is old old?

fucking hell, sunbeam, try getting angsty about this sort of caper when you're in your forties or rather don't because it's a pathetic existence, believe you me

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by DefenderOfPants » Sun Feb 13, 2011 22:52

maybe he's a gymnast. that's pretty old by gymnast standards.

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by HeyMickeyH » Sun Feb 13, 2011 23:00

I have friends who think the indie scene is cliquey, but then I never understand the social etiquette of dance clubs either. I'm hardly 'scene' but I've always found indiepop kids to be pretty friendly. I think people mistake shyness for aloofness.

I'm just inpiepop because I'm too lazy to buy some new clothes to replace all my old britpop gear.
And because the Bruno Mars and N-Dubz forums don't fulfil my need for introspective existensial angst.

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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by colinsmitten » Sun Feb 13, 2011 23:12

i don't even have anything to say about this!

sunday drinking....

i don't feel like it's cliquish - however you spell that - but that most folks are open and awesome. if i had more money, it wouldn't change what i liked to listen to, that's for sure.

i think like anything, the more you participate, the more you know. I have rarely witnessed the shunning of anyone - and by rarely, I mean never, unless I've forgotten. i feel awkward in lots of situations, but just because I am uncomfortable, I don't blame the people having fun, the more effort I have put into anything, the more i've gotten out of it and that applies to work or drinking or writing songs or whatever...
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by ketameaningless » Mon Feb 14, 2011 01:57

'maybe he's a gymnast. that's pretty old by gymnast standards.'

this proper made me chuckle.

i am slowly coming to the conclusion that everyone in the whole world is a dick, including me, but indiepop is pretty cool.

its more that i went to bowlie, and man, if some of those people were having fun, they were doing it very queitly indeed. in my day, you went to a gig, everyone shouted all the words so loud you couldnt hear the band, and it was sweaty and intense with no room to move. you got crushed and kicked in the head and it was fucking awesome in a really terrifying way. but maybe belle and sebastian gigs arent the place to look for a moshpit?
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Re: my negative feelings about indiepop

Post by a layer of chips » Mon Feb 14, 2011 07:59

ketameaningless wrote:
its more that i went to bowlie, and man, if some of those people were having fun, they were doing it very queitly indeed.
Allow me to making sweeping generalisations by saying that what you had there was a load of precious Belle and Sebastian fans. The sort of people who put me off the band eventually. Well, them and the shit albums...

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