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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by Richard » Sun Oct 18, 2009 16:22

indiansummer wrote:GENRE OBSESSIVES IN 'NOT IMPRESSED WITH COMPILATION DESIGNED FOR CASUAL FANS' SHOCKER
You can change the words in that sentence and then apply the sentiment to pretty much every post on the internet that involves someone disagreeing, complaining or arguing about anything.

It would've been a bit dull if we'd all said, "Ooh. Top notch compilation. 100% perfect, don't ever change it, baby"... which is exactly the sort of thing people say (perhaps).
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by boney » Sun Oct 18, 2009 17:11

Richard wrote:
indiansummer wrote:GENRE OBSESSIVES IN 'NOT IMPRESSED WITH COMPILATION DESIGNED FOR CASUAL FANS' SHOCKER
You can change the words in that sentence and then apply the sentiment to pretty much every post on the internet that involves someone disagreeing, complaining or arguing about anything.

It would've been a bit dull if we'd all said, "Ooh. Top notch compilation. 100% perfect, don't ever change it, baby", which exactly the sort of thing people say.
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by indiansummer » Sun Oct 18, 2009 21:47

Richard wrote:You can change the words in that sentence and then apply the sentiment to pretty much every post on the internet that involves someone disagreeing, complaining or arguing about anything.

It would've been a bit dull if we'd all said, "Ooh. Top notch compilation. 100% perfect, don't ever change it, baby"... which is exactly the sort of thing people say (perhaps).
Yeh, i know, i know... i just think the compilation's not aimed at people who listen to this type of thing all the time. It's like 'Rough Trade recommends' for people who don't know a lot about indiepop but wonder if they might like it. In that respect, i think it's fair enough to feature loads of the bands that the cogniscienti have been listening to for a while.

There's defo some weird choices (Los Campesinos! are at least influenced by some indiepop stuff, i suppose... Girls are great but a bit anomalous here). But on the whole i think it does a decent job of trying to explain this thing to new curious ears. They're not trying to preach to the converted, are they?
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by bend sinister » Mon Oct 19, 2009 00:58

indiansummer wrote:Yeh, i know, i know... i just think the compilation's not aimed at people who listen to this type of thing all the time. It's like 'Rough Trade recommends' for people who don't know a lot about indiepop but wonder if they might like it. In that respect, i think it's fair enough to feature loads of the bands that the cogniscienti have been listening to for a while.

There's defo some weird choices (Los Campesinos! are at least influenced by some indiepop stuff, i suppose... Girls are great but a bit anomalous here). But on the whole i think it does a decent job of trying to explain this thing to new curious ears. They're not trying to preach to the converted, are they?
I agree, obviously I'm a wee bit excited about this and will say it is an awesome thing, but yeah - it isn't designed for us on here is it? It's for people who may see it and impulse buy and then fall in love with the music and end up on here bitching and moaning about indiepop (IndiePop? Indie-Pop? IndiePOP?) with the rest of us.
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by Gordon » Mon Oct 19, 2009 17:59

I sort of think if you can make a better compilation, then you don't need the compilation. If you're upset on behalf of casual fans like me, though, cheers. If anyone wants to send me a free mix as a charity case, I'd be more than happy to accept.
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by indiansummer » Mon Oct 19, 2009 18:29

Gordon wrote:I sort of think if you can make a better compilation, then you don't need the compilation.
Yeh, that's it really! Much more succinct than i've been anyway.
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by Pop Kid » Tue Oct 20, 2009 17:37

For the interested casual indiepop fan, the correct track order is up on the RT site now.

http://www.roughtrade.com/site/shop_det ... sku=318780

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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by richpassivity » Tue Oct 20, 2009 20:25

everard wrote: what would be kind of cool is if someone did an indiepop equivalent of the bloodstains, kbd or messthetics series'.
Now that would be a great idea!
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by everard » Tue Oct 20, 2009 22:59

richpassivity wrote:
everard wrote: what would be kind of cool is if someone did an indiepop equivalent of the bloodstains, kbd or messthetics series'.
Now that would be a great idea!
yeah, it could be totally amazing if researched and compiled thoroughly. i love a good compilation series.

i was just thinking that perhaps what the rough trade shops people could have done in this case would be to use the bands they went for, but with really good exclusive tracks. hey presto, the casual fan gets to hear the bands, and the nerd gets songs they don't already have. none of this 'omg! first time on cd!' business.

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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by islandhopper » Tue Oct 20, 2009 23:55

It's pretty hard to insist on "really good" when asking a band for an exclusive track. They're quite often a bit rubbish aren't they?

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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by richpassivity » Wed Oct 21, 2009 08:41

[quote="everardwhat would be kind of cool is if someone did an indiepop equivalent of the bloodstains, kbd or messthetics series'.[/quote]Now that would be a great idea![/quote]yeah, it could be totally amazing if researched and compiled thoroughly. i love a good compilation series.
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I suppose the 'Sound Of Leamington Spa' series came closest - although there was some rubbish on them!
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Post by cupcake_love » Wed Oct 21, 2009 09:32

islandhopper wrote:It's pretty hard to insist on "really good" when asking a band for an exclusive track. They're quite often a bit rubbish aren't they?
maybe that's true, but i don't really see the point. if on a compilation and surrounded by lots of other great bands, surely you'd want to stand out in a good way = choosing a really good track for the compilation?
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by Gordon » Wed Oct 21, 2009 13:50

i.e by choosing a non-exclusive track. It worked for me with the first roughtrade indiepop comp.
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by everard » Thu Oct 22, 2009 00:16

richpassivity wrote:I suppose the 'Sound Of Leamington Spa' series came closest - although there was some rubbish on them!
true, i'd forgotten those. are there equivalents from other countries?

on the r.t. comp ...

i'm not resistant to the idea of an introductory album for the casual listener. and i will be buying this album. i guess i just associate the rough trade shops with a more exploratory/ underground approach. also, given that this is on V2 (a major, or at least a big corporate indie), there's no need to play it safe, someone else is paying. but i guess because i'm in rough trade at least once a week & buy a fair amount of music there & in general it stands to reason most of this is familiar to me.

some rambling about compilations in general ...

better a good song that's been previously released than a bad one that hasn't. but i reckon people putting together compilations shouldn't give a definite yes to a band til they hear the song anyway. if a band feels affronted at being made to 'audition' there will be plenty of others who will feel gratified at even being asked to submit a song.

personally i really like the peel session remit -- no doubt there were exceptions but in the majority of cases when bands went to do a session they did songs they hadn't already released. then afterwards the bands could re-record the songs, or just leave it as a stand-alone session, released or not.

i think it's great when bands keep songs specifically in mind for compilations. a comp of good, previously unreleased songs is great -- when they're good songs and specifically written for the comp, e.g. on a theme, even better -- then a band doing a singles/comp tracks anthology a couple of years down the line can be killer.

bad exclusive tracks are best kept as filler for the tenth anniversary deluxe edition of an album where only your fans will ever hear it.

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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by ian » Thu Oct 22, 2009 01:05

the whole question of exclusivity versus non exclusivity is a funny one, and i wonder if we're more turned onto downloads, etc, than we were a few years ago. i only ask that because when i put together the kids at the club compilation quite a few of the songs on there had been released already, but no one batted an eyelid. perhaps it's because 'you me dancing!' is such a well known song that it prompts that line of thought with this compilation.

with the kids of the club the line up went:

1. Start Of Something - Voxtrot - was their debut single, so had been a download already, but not released in the uk
2. We're From Barcelona - I'm From Barcelona - had come out in sweden, and was a download, but not released in the uk at that point. i think it came out on mute a few weeks later. we were certainly lucky with the timing because everyone was excited about that single and we happened to have it on the comp. i asked months before, and i think they'd forgotten they'd said yes. i kept my head down when i read they'd signed to mute...! or a mute offshoot, i think.
3. Stardust - Irene - had been a radio single in sweden and a download, but not released in the uk
4. Edison Girls - Saturday Looks Good To Me - exclusive
5. Days Like These Will Be The Death Of Me - Butcher Boy - exclusive
6. Give Me Love - Lucky Soul - b-side to a single that had already come out
7. Elephant Graveyard - Fanfalo - exclusive
8. Black Minds White Lies - Salty Pirates - available for free download from the band's site
9. Ampersand - Tender Trap - on their album out that year
10. Marie Et L'Accordeon - Stars Of Aviation - a single that came out around the same time as the comp
11. Magic Road - Wintergreen - a single that had already come out
12. Noyfriend - Shimura Curves - exclusive
13. Blackpool - Gresham Flyers - exclusive
14. You're The One - Language Of Flowers - exclusive
15. Virtue Was Your Downfall - Amida - i think this was on a single that had already been out
16. She's Gonna Let You Down Again - Strange Idols - exclusive? i think, can't remember...
17. First World Record - Pocketbooks - exclusive. although i think it might have been available for download too. so not exclusive really...
18. I've Agreed To Something I Shouldn't Have - Fosca - exclusive
19. Seems To Be On My Mind - Suburban Kids With Biblical Names - on their debut album
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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by aorta » Thu Oct 22, 2009 05:33

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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by graysonscolumn » Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:04

a layer of chips wrote:
The [Indie Top 20] compilations went a bit crap post 1992, as I remember.

It was from either volume 17 or 18 (either way, it was one of the 1993 releases in the series) that major-distributed tracks appeared alongside those independently distributed, the latter having been an absolute prerequisite for inclusion in the series hitherto.

"Let's face it", wrote Tim Millington (who had taken over compilation of the series from Chet and Bee Selwood by that stage) in the sleeve-notes-cum-revised-mission-statement for volume 18, "who really gives a toss who distributes the music as long as it's good?" As the series had been devised seven years earlier by and for people who had given and still did give a toss, I'd suggest the answer to Millington's question was probably "quite a few of us out here, actually".

I'd need to check the track listings of all ITT's from 18 onwards, but my sense at the time was that the musical remit of the series narrowed appreciably thereafter despite the pool of potential material available having increased hugely. Hmmm.

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Re: Rough Trade - Indiepop 09

Post by joanny » Fri Aug 06, 2010 14:08

I love sleeve notes for The School, just hilarious.

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