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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 09, 2007 09:43

Ok, so what are peoples favourites from c86 and the indie (pop) scene that followed?

I'll start with Big Flame. Only recently got into them (on account of not being able to find their stuff until recently). A nice and spikey racket.

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Post by RITH » Tue Oct 09, 2007 09:52

I should download the original tape from somewhere.
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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 09, 2007 09:54

RITH wrote:If you ignore the original tape, which does not have a whole lot to do with the 'genre', I'll go blindly for Neutral Milk Hotel.

I'd love a comeback some day.
But what is the 'genre'? That's a whole other debate.

I'd argue it was a little twee. A lot of noise. And plenty of buzzsaw type bands.

It was for me, a time, like now, where the DIY ethos was good for music.

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Post by RITH » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:08

I wouldn't be able to pinpoint the 'genre', really, although what comes to mind is a certain kind of use of guitars and melodies. Vague, hm? It's not really restricted to a time even, although of course there's been C96 and I think even C06 later.

I have never heard the whole original tape. Primal Scream kicks it off? Not at all what I would associate with it.

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Post by humblebee » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:21

But that was Primal Scream When They Were Good!

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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:23

humblebee wrote:But that was Primal Scream When They Were Good!
It was. And it is what I would associate with some of the c86 genre.

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Post by crystalball » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:23

RITH wrote:I have never heard the whole original tape. Primal Scream kicks it off? Not at all what I would associate with it.
If you haven't heard those early Primal Scream songs, RITH, you're in for the biggest surprise of your life. I could email them to you if you want.

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Post by a layer of chips » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:28

Primal Scream have always been shit.

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Post by RITH » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:31

crystalball wrote:If you haven't heard those early Primal Scream songs, RITH, you're in for the biggest surprise of your life. I could email them to you if you want.
I think I haven't. Primal Scream to me is 'Rocks', 'Loaded' and perhaps two or three other hits. If you think I'm missing out, yes, I'd love that e-mail.

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Post by a layer of chips » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:33

Am I allowed to mention Stump here? They were on the tape.

One day I'll shut up about Stump.

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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:42

tastyzine wrote:Am I allowed to mention Stump here? They were on the tape.

One day I'll shut up about Stump.
I love Stump.

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Post by a layer of chips » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:43

Me too.

They were the first band I ever saw.

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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:45

tastyzine wrote:Me too.

They were the first band I ever saw.
Sweet, I never got to see them in the wastelands of South Wales. Although I got into them via a video (which I think was on the Gimme Shelter video).

My first indie gig was The Primitives back in early 1987. Before that I'd been led down the heavy rock path. Hearing bands like The Mary Chain, The Primitives, Sonic Youth, Big Black, Soup Dragons, Talulah Gosh were eye openers in late 86/early 87.
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Post by Anonymous » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:45

have a werthers original and sit down, youngun'

I saw Stump more than I saw Bogshed but Bogshed are one of my most favourite bands and get more favourite every year (Stump were both absurdly funny and bizarrely terrifying- whatever happened to Mick Lynch? whatever happened to Phil Hartley from Bogshed?)

oh, C86... my affections for that tape remain

the first two Primal Scream singles mean't a lot and still do but they were snuggled up againt two quality Bodines singles, the peerless 'Godbless/Paradise' and the charming 'Therese'

likewise The Wolfhounds and McCarthy never seemed one without the other- neither provide particularly representative or compelling tracks to the tape but were two of the finest bands of that era, especially live

Big Flame were frankly astonishing, as were most of the Ron Johnson bands

bands not on C86 who perhap should've been include the June Brides (vital!); BMX Bandits and Talulah Gosh! (both synonymous with one another at the time) and Razorcuts (also syonymous with the 'Gosh!)

it captured a period of time where at the very least most of these bands were getting singles of the week in the NME and you could go and see The Wedding Present, Bogshed, Razorcuts for £3.50 on a weeknight in Bedford

and in the war we ate powedered egg and we never saw a banana

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Post by a layer of chips » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:52

If you look on Kev Hopper's site you'll see that Stump had a reunion in a pub in Ireland recently. Mick Lynch couldn't remember any of the words to the songs.

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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:54

I was little too young and isolated to get the tape when it first appeared (the local paper shop didn't even stock the NME, so a trip to Swansea was needed - whenever I got there the thing was often sold out). I think I got into most of this stuff in 87. It was always on cassette, taped off a mate who worked in the record shop. I couldn't afford to buy lots of stuff back then. So I kinda got into what came in the wake of the tape: Talulah Gosh, Razorcuts, Flatmates, Primitives, Darling Buds, Shop Assistants, Fizzbombs etc and then there were the creation bands like My Bloody Valentine, House of Love. Add to this my fascination with Big Black, Sonic Youth, Butthole Surfers and the whole Blast First label and you probably realise why a lot of the twee tags seem odd to me when thinking about this time in music. These bands (nearly) always made a hell of a racket. I haven't even started on bands like Spacemen3, Loop etc - which splintered out of the same scene. Well, they did, to me.
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Post by a layer of chips » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:56

Anyone remember Underground magazine?

They always had an SST advert on the back pushing Black Flag records.

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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:58

tastyzine wrote:Anyone remember Underground magazine?

They always had an SST advert on the back pushing Black Flag records.
I sure do. I still have an old copy of one mag kicking around somewhere. Where I had a Mary Chain review published.

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Post by a layer of chips » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:58

I used to gawp for hours at that magazine. I didn't know what half of it meant, but it seemed ace at the time.

How it found its way into Gates in Grimsby precinct is beyond me.

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Post by Trev » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:04

Talking of magazines - does anyone remember the mag that appeared in the early 90s- I think it was called Spiral Scratch (i know, i know, not the 70s zine or 00s club)?

I am sure it was good. But I can't remember much about it. Other than it was like a fanzine. You could send in your own reviews and they'd publish some of them. It was like a grown-up fanzine, I think.

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