Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

29-31 July 2016: "a collective adventure in generalized joy and freely interdependent exuberance"
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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by indiehorse » Tue Aug 02, 2016 16:53

My full set of photos can be found here: http://gigphotos.uk/558 (or here: https://www.facebook.com/indiehorse/med ... 641&type=3) but here's a couple that I'm particular pleased with...

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by Cloudy Cat » Tue Aug 02, 2016 16:54

Sorry Dan, didn't want to offend you. I thought it was a light-hearted comment but I'm sorry it came across the wrong way. I hope you enjoyed the weekend.

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by tonieee » Tue Aug 02, 2016 17:05

bend sinister wrote:Slow Clap for that reply there, pal. Instead of just accepting that you've upset people, you have to throw a snark in at the end.
I agree. The snark ruined what apology that was there..

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by deerful » Tue Aug 02, 2016 17:17

bend sinister wrote: Why not just accept that people are being made to feel unwelcome, thinking about why that might be, and modifying your behaviour to create a more welcoming space?
This is literally it. Just listening and thinking and questioning your own behaviour. Nothing exists in a vacuum, there are broader social reasons why everything happens, having your motivations questioned (whether by yourself or someone else) is an invitation not an attack.

Indietracks is one of the only festivals that's properly accessible FOR ME but it doesn't mean it is for everyone.

Having made a decent start on inclusiveness and good politics does not automatically mean the task is complete. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by kieran kawaii » Tue Aug 02, 2016 17:32

hey guys

this was wonderful as always; i was on such an ultra light beam for the whole weekend. indiepop isn't a competition, but bearsuit won it for me. the aislers set are one of the greatest ever bands, deerful, trust fund (particularly the 'crab line' performance), sonic the comic, flowers, charla fantasma etc. the combination of an especially good line-up with other stuff like great bants, weather, the four quid cakes made it comfortably the best one for me.

i think my only quibble is the sound in the train shed was reliably dire, though i'm not sure if this can be reasonably be improved.

(as an aside it's not clear to me why drake is more of less of an issue than motown or "60s girls groups" or belle & sebastian in terms of fordist production lines that solely exist to make one guy a whole load of money. on the other hand i'm not sure that he is the bastion of black counterculturalism that some woke white people like to pretend. the racial politics of "gopal's curry shack" being run by a white woman are probably more interesting if we want to go down the woke route.)

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by Carys » Tue Aug 02, 2016 18:20

Cloudy Cat wrote:
squirrelboutique wrote: "Urban"? "Tolerance"? Seriously? Do you have no idea how problematic this post is?
Tolerance in respect to liking Urban music which I'm no fan of. Sorry. I'm no expert but isn't Urban made by white musicians as well as black? I have no tolerance for heavy metal either which is predominantly made by white musicians. And for all I know Drake is white, I haven't a fuckin' clue.
A quick Google search on "urban music" will show that it's a predominantly Black/African-American genre. Not exclusively, of course, but definitely conjures that association for many or most. I must admit it's not a genre I'm very familiar with, but I know that "urban" is often used as a thinly-veiled code word for black in all kinds of contexts. Even if you didn't know that before, people did just try to tell you.

If I had been called out on something like this, I hope I'd do a little research and self-reflection before responding and digging myself deeper.

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by ruudboy » Tue Aug 02, 2016 18:57

In the opinion of this punter, Team Indietracks pulled it off yet again.

I'm actually with some of the others on here in that I wasn't that hugely overwhelmed by a lot of the music, but a) none of it was bad, just more sit and enjoy rather than go wild over b) you can't please all the people all the time, and if it was my turn to be the unpleased one for a short time, then so be it c) Friday night was sensational - probably overall the best Friday night programme I've seen there. And away from the specifics of the music, there's nothing much like sitting in that field in the sun listening to whoever's on and watching the people and the trains go by. And the owls. And the walk I always do from Hammersmith station back to Swanwick Junction. And all of it really, it's just the best.

Oh, and the criminally underattended marquee disco on Sunday night. That was sensational.

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by smigs » Tue Aug 02, 2016 18:59

deerful wrote:(Personally if Indietracks let me DJ I think I would spend the entire set looping the Postal Service, CHVRCHES, Owen Pallett, Grimes and PC Music and that's why Indietracks must never ever ever let me DJ.)
I'm starting the campaign to have deerful DJ next year right now.

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by jayen_aitch » Tue Aug 02, 2016 19:20

I posted my photos when I was rushing around and before without reading what was happening, which was a silly thing to do, because apparently there was a whole lot of context of which I was not aware. People suggesting that urban music doesn't have a place at indietracks makes me really sad.

Firstly - I think the DJs can play whatever they want, there is plenty of music from across a wide range of genres at the discos. Yes there is indiepop, but there is a lot of other music too and this is a good thing too because then people can choose to dance to something else after a long long day of indiepop. As I was driving away I had indiepop on in the car, but I can well imagine that other people chose to listen to something else, and fair play to them. If I went to a festival of cheese omelettes and ate cheese omelette all weekend, there is no way that I would have a cheese omelette when I got home. I'd probably have a salad. There, I said it.

Secondly, and much more importantly - This is exactly the sort of thing that makes people feel uncomfortable with indiepop and coming to indiepop events. Everyone should feel welcome, there shouldn't be any inference that a given group of people is not welcome. It is so easy to suggest that through an analogue like a style of music or a choice of clothes.

If we take the word urban in its original meaning, of the city, then loads of indiepop bands are urban... bands sing about cities all the time... no one ever complains about that. I have never heard someone tell me they don't like a given band because "they are not rustic enough" or "I liked their first EP, it was really pastoral, but after they moved to Hull they started making songs about going to the shopping centre, and getting pizzas on the way home at two in the morning. I miss the songs about cows."

The only way to read statements like this is that we don't mean urban. Plenty of people have used the word urban in the past to insult people of colour, as if it gave them a free pass, as if they had been somehow subtle. It's not subtle though, it's insidious. Perhaps not-so-coincidentally the word cosmopolitan was used as an analogue for Jewish people in the Soviet Union, when they were being demonised there. Why is it that city-dwelling is so integrated into this sort of discourse?

Quite frankly if anyone wants to come and listen to indiepop at a train museum in Derbyshire then I will look forward to spending time with them. If they want to disparage anyone based on the colour of their skin, or any other similar factor, then I have no time for them and want them as far away as possible. These sorts of comments are just creating and reenforcing segregation in music. We all know segregation is bad, let's not stoop to it.

Otherwise what's next, people protesting the gender neutral toilet? No thanks.

I had a wonderful indietracks, thanks to everyone involved. I don't think the events in this thread defined the festival, and they certainly shouldn't define the genre. We shouldn't let them.

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by deerful » Tue Aug 02, 2016 19:32

smigs wrote:
deerful wrote:(Personally if Indietracks let me DJ I think I would spend the entire set looping the Postal Service, CHVRCHES, Owen Pallett, Grimes and PC Music and that's why Indietracks must never ever ever let me DJ.)
I'm starting the campaign to have deerful DJ next year right now.
I have played one DJ set ever as part of a tag team, back when I had significantly more proper-indiepop taste in music, and I cleared the dance floor with every single song. I can only imagine how excruciating it would be if I did it now. BOOK ME.
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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by Nat » Tue Aug 02, 2016 19:36

Personally I think it's brilliant that the DJ played Drake. At Indietracks we try to book DJs who will play a range of music, and we'd always encourage this.

The DJ has apologised for causing offence on Twitter, and I just wish CloudyCat had done so in the same spirit. I agree with Deerful and Bendsinster's posts - rather than be defensive, it's important to listen, reflect and change our actions when people tell us they feel unwelcome or that offence has been caused.

At Indietracks we're always open to feedback and suggestions about how we can improve and make the festival welcoming to all. Please post here or send any thoughts to indietracksfestival@gmail.com

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by McCol » Tue Aug 02, 2016 19:38

5th Indietracks for the other half and me. Really good weekend helped by the weather.

Highlights for me were Secret Shine in the church - awesome. Seazoo's set was also excellent and Darren Hayman should have been the headliner!

Hopefully do it all again next year.

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by deerful » Tue Aug 02, 2016 19:53

jayen_aitch wrote:As I was driving away I had indiepop on in the car, but I can well imagine that other people chose to listen to something else, and fair play to them. If I went to a festival of cheese omelettes and ate cheese omelette all weekend, there is no way that I would have a cheese omelette when I got home. I'd probably have a salad. There, I said it.
I made my mum listen to this on the way home and she told me to turn it off and put something with guitars on instead.



I'm derailing the thread, aren't I. Sorry.

Anyway yes what jayen_aitch said. It's not about the Drake song per se (to which I am personally indifferent mostly because I think it's too slow to dance to, but whatever, go and get a drink, the booze train is right there). It's about making people feel like only certain aesthetics and tastes are welcome which maps disturbingly often on to stuff like 'music made by white people'. You can have the best intentions in the world and still do this without realising, but denying it ever happened doesn't fix it. /ramble
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Post by robbiez666 » Tue Aug 02, 2016 20:06

This was only my second time attending (sadly, it normally clashes with Tramlines) but I think it's easy to overlook what makes Indietracks so good. It's such a nice atmosphere compared to any other festival I've been to. It also feels very inclusive, friendly and accepting.

Highlights

Spook School
Emma Pollock
Alimony Hustle
Chrissy Barnacle
Them vegan burgers

Sound was a bit iffy in the shed but the same can be said for most festivals. Very difficult to get right in that kind of venue.

A big thanks to all the organisers and volunteers. Also to everyone I've met for being so nice.

As for the DJ situation. There are what 6 discos over 3 nights? I cant imagine anything worse than hearing basically the same DJ set over and over again. It's easy to malign DJs for having different taste, but it's in many ways DJing is an art. It's reading the crowd. It's getting people dancing. You soon know when something doesn't go down well, but no one should be maligned or denigrated for playing 'different' music. It's refreshing.
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Post by Michael Quentin » Tue Aug 02, 2016 20:12

It's only a little thing but it was great to hear Dorotea and Ivor Cutler wafting from the speakers on the main stage (on Sunday, I think). As for next year, who's going to be the first to play a Drake cover?

Thanks to all the volunteers.

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Post by deerful » Tue Aug 02, 2016 20:28

Michael Quentin wrote:It's only a little thing but it was great to hear Dorotea and Ivor Cutler wafting from the speakers on the main stage (on Sunday, I think). As for next year, who's going to be the first to play a Drake cover?

Thanks to all the volunteers.
If they let people play two years running I would 100% cover Hotline Bling next year. I'd speed it up a bit though.
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Post by Dan Pop-o-matic » Tue Aug 02, 2016 20:33

deerful wrote:
Michael Quentin wrote:It's only a little thing but it was great to hear Dorotea and Ivor Cutler wafting from the speakers on the main stage (on Sunday, I think). As for next year, who's going to be the first to play a Drake cover?

Thanks to all the volunteers.
If they let people play two years running I would 100% cover Hotline Bling next year. I'd speed it up a bit though.
I may have just spent some time trying to figure the chords out on my ukulele (C and Em basically, piece of piss).

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Post by tonieee » Tue Aug 02, 2016 20:38

So Pop-o-matic ukulele singalong on the train next year? I'm sure that's what you just said.

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by graysonscolumn » Tue Aug 02, 2016 20:45

Michael Quentin wrote:As for next year, who's going to be the first to play a Drake cover?
Or to play Indiepop Angel in the style of Drake.

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Re: Indietracks 2016 photos and memories

Post by PontiacB » Tue Aug 02, 2016 21:03

Fabulous weekend. Musically not as strong as some for my slightly noisier taste, but still enough to keep me well entertained.
Musical highlights were Nervous Twitch, Spook School, Flowers, Charla Fantasma, Lovely Eggs and Trust Fund (surprised they thought they'd underperformed, I thought they were great). I missed having some mid afternoon noise in the shed on Saturday - I needed a Fever Dream or Feature as in previous years!

It was a year where I talked to more people than ever before - after 5 years I've gone from nodding at people to actually having proper conversations, my wife is amazed. Met some lovely people for the first time - loved Nigel who had a list of everyone he had ever met at indietracks on his phone.

Thought the burgers were fantastic and Pizza was lovely, as was curry - probably the best food selection ever.

The chap who ran the bar on the steam train was great, as enthusiastic about his trains as I am about music.

No real major downers, shame the couple of blokes behind me yapped all the way through Flowers playing Stuck (right at the front as well) and Premier Inn's prices were stupid this year, as was I for paying it, but that's about it.

Really hope it all happens again next year - I love The Great Escape and Wales Goes Pop, but I really need Indietracks each year as well.

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