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Post by soft revolution » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:14 am

Ooh, right, let's talk about guitars! Firstly, everyone knows that guitars sound better when they have more stickers are stuck to them - mine has loads of furry hampsters on it.

I've also found a new bloody lush tuning tonight - FCEGBE - theres so many ace chords on it.
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by Contravene » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:41 am

I've lost my stickered up guitar and need to purchase a new one, is £60 too much?

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Post by humblebee » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:53 am

contravene wrote:I've lost my stickered up guitar and need to purchase a new one, is £60 too much?
Neh, that's OK. It'd only sound half as good as a £30 one though...
dunc wrote:I've also found a new bloody lush tuning tonight - FCEGBE - theres so many ace chords on it.
You massive progrocker.

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Post by soft revolution » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:41 pm

Contravene wrote:I've lost my stickered up guitar and need to purchase a new one, is £60 too much?
Massively - you can buy sheets with loads of animal stickers on from Wooleys for 99p!

I seem to remember a Bis song which started with the quote "If you buy a guitar over 40 pounds...you're mad"
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by bocken » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:34 pm

I'm mad, then. I'll try and post some pics of my lovely Fender Jaguar Baritone Custom soon.

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Post by soft revolution » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:04 pm

bocken wrote:I'm mad, then. I'll try and post some pics of my lovely Fender Jaguar Baritone Custom soon.
Oooh, you lucky so and so. I've always wanted to own one of those. Not that I've ever played one but I think it would be the perfect guitar to compliment my Jazzmaster.

What does it sound like? I've always thought that Jaguars would be lovely(er) if they stopped throwing so much treble out everywhere.
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by bocken » Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:00 am

I haven't really played it in anger yet (I only got it last week), and I need to put new strings on it, the ones that are on it are disgusting (and I never change guitar strings), and they're the wrong type... I played a friend's last weekend - his is tuned an octave below a guitar, like a bass, which is what I want, but this one is tuned to B like an actual baritone guitar should be. Not bassy enough, and I can't get my head around which notes are where and so on. I'm a dreadful guitar player so I've never been able to justify buying a normal Jag or a Jazzmaster, though I've lusted after one since I was 15 or something, but when I saw the Jag bass I'd decided to treat myself to one when I had the money. Then I played my mate's baritone, and he said Fender had stopped making them and they were getting hard to get hold of, and then I found one on ebay, and I'd just sold an old Marshall head that I never use, so it was a pretty quick decision.

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Post by soft revolution » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:02 pm

gloom button wrote:I think my guitar has some neck problems. It's doing that thing where if it's in tune on lower frets it sounds pretty grim around the 12th fret. There's no real diy fix for that problem, is there? I should change the strings probably, I guess, since they're not helping by being hundreds of years old.
It sounds like a string intonation problem rather than a neck problem. I'd change the strings and play about with the saddles to change the length of the sting until the note at the 12 fret is the same as the note on an open string.
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Post by bocken » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:12 pm

If you're feeling brave have a look at this http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelected ... hreadid=31

Getting a guitar to be totally in tune is apparenly impossible. That's my excuse. The bottom string on my Ricky bass is a bit sharp when it's in tune, but it's horrible to adjust things on that ([s]vintage[/s] old guitars are stupid, sometimes) - you can hardly move the saddles anyway, but it's impossible to do it with a string there. 2 truss rods and a neck-through body mean that bit stays exactly as it is, whether it needs fixing or not. I could buy a new bridge, but do I look like a muso?

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Post by gloom button » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:19 pm

dunc wrote:
gloom button wrote:I think my guitar has some neck problems. It's doing that thing where if it's in tune on lower frets it sounds pretty grim around the 12th fret. There's no real diy fix for that problem, is there? I should change the strings probably, I guess, since they're not helping by being hundreds of years old.
It sounds like a string intonation problem rather than a neck problem. I'd change the strings and play about with the saddles to change the length of the sting until the note at the 12 fret is the same as the note on an open string.
I didn't think of that. Thank you! I will try that. I've just realised I may never have changed the strings on this guitar. It's amazing how long I can put things off. I'd probably have convinced myself it sounded better out of tune in another few months.
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Post by gloom button » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:27 pm

bocken wrote:If you're feeling brave have a look at this http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelected" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... hreadid=31

Getting a guitar to be totally in tune is apparenly impossible. That's my excuse. The bottom string on my Ricky bass is a bit sharp when it's in tune, but it's horrible to adjust things on that ([s]vintage[/s] old guitars are stupid, sometimes) - you can hardly move the saddles anyway, but it's impossible to do it with a string there. 2 truss rods and a neck-through body mean that bit stays exactly as it is, whether it needs fixing or not. I could buy a new bridge, but do I look like a muso?
Speaking of tuning, there's a page somewhere that mentions a way Richard Lloyd of Television tunes his guitar. Oh, here it is. He claims it results in a nicer overall sound, though I'm not quite sure why. I've used it a few times. It does sound nice.
Looking for a new perspective on learning the guitar? Richard Lloyd (of the 70s punk band Television) has a great set of lessons and essays on his site, including a fascinating explanation of why the guitar is such a pain to tune. He suggests a tuning technique that I've started using with great success. If you've got a good ear for tuning, try this:

First tune the bottom E. string to a tuning fork or tuning machine. Next, fret the E. string at the tenth fret. This will give you a D. Tune the D. string to this note by ear. Next, fret the D. string at the fifth fret. Tune the G. string to the D. string at the fifth fret. Now fret the G. string at the second fret. This gives you an A. Tune the A. string from this note. Now fret the A. string at the second fret. Tune the B. string from this note. It will be an octave up. Next, fret the D. string at the second fret. This gives you E. Tune your high E from this. Again this will be an octave.

Voila! Strum the guitar. It should sound considerably more pleasing.
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Post by soft revolution » Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:13 pm

I was talking to Pop Kid on Tuesday about my first ever guitar, which was an early 80s Kay Les Paul with in-built effects board. I said I'd post a pic but am not very good with this digital photography stuff - BUT, there's one for sale on e-bay at the moment so here's some pictures of that.

Um, if anyone comes across this thread and knows where I can get a copy of the wiring diagram then please drop me a message - dunc (at) theautumnstore.co.uk

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Post by bocken » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:42 pm

Finally, a picture of my baritone Jag. I just can't seem to take decent pictures of guitars in my flat.

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I love it.

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Post by christine » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:07 pm

That's pretty!

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Post by postalblue » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:03 am

Setting up your guitar is not rocket science, you just need new strings, a screwdriver (depends on what kind of screws your bridge has) and an electronic tuner (or a great set of ears).

Just tune each string to pitch and fret it at the 12th fret, if it's flat move the saddle closer to the nut, if it's sharp, move the saddle away from the nut. It's much easier than setting it up to play with a little relief, low action and no fret buzz.

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Post by My Melody » Thu May 01, 2008 6:50 pm

Did any of you see the film ONCE?
The guy gets this really lush and beautiful sound with his wrecked guitar. And I wondered, is this really true? I mean, can you get this kind of sound with a guitar that is busted like his?
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm88578304/tt0907657" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by soft revolution » Thu May 01, 2008 8:10 pm

There's some acoustic guitars where the wood ages really well and makes them sound absolutely brilliant! A few scratches shouldn't change the sound too much though scratched acoustics are probably more likely to have unrelated wear and tear problems such as a dodgy out of tune neck.

Is it just me or does the bloke in that picture look a little like Bez?
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by James_B » Fri May 02, 2008 1:39 am

bocken wrote:I'm mad, then. I'll try and post some pics of my lovely Fender Jaguar Baritone Custom soon.
baritone jag?
how much do they cost these days?
i've always fancied one of them.

i'm on the verge of selling my japanese thinline telecaster, it's lovely, but i can't quite get it how i want it. maybe a new pickup with help give it more treble, but the odd sizing of the humbuckers makes that tricky.
i need some reccomnedations for a replacement- i've got an old yamaha superflighter which kind of covers all the SG/ Les Paul bases, so I might stick with something Fender-like, but i'm not sure. Gretsch look amazing, but i'm not sure about the cheap ones.

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Post by bocken » Fri May 02, 2008 9:36 am

James_B wrote:
bocken wrote:I'm mad, then. I'll try and post some pics of my lovely Fender Jaguar Baritone Custom soon.
baritone jag?
how much do they cost these days?
i've always fancied one of them.
I paid about £450 for mine, which is less than they were new, at least. There's one on ebay at the moment: £290 with 7days left. I'd put a link but the seller has some sort of script on the page that does crazy things to my computer.

I've not seen a similar one since I bought mine though, and they've stopped making them. You can still buy the Jaguar Baritone Special though, which is black, has two humbuckers and is a proper baritone guitar, tuned to B. You can probably* get them for about 400 or so.

*that's just a guess.

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Post by James_B » Sat May 03, 2008 1:03 am

how is yours different to a 'proper' baritone?

what amp do you play it through, i was kind of toying with the idea of using some kind of EQ unit to split it between a bass amp and a guitar amp, with anything below a few hundred Hz going through the bass amp and the rest through the guitar amp... i probably stole that idea from somewhere, but it's a cool one.

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