It's fucking awful by foot

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It's fucking awful by foot

Post by Sootyzilla » Tue Jan 01, 2008 6:38 pm

Do town planners just not bother about pedestrians anymore? I can't count the number of times I've been trying to get somewhere and found myself trying to cross the muddy verge of a dual carriageway and then 500m up a pavement 40cm wide.

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Post by humblebee » Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:05 pm

Yeah, a lot of urban planning is really pedestrian-unfriendly. Sheffield city centre is quite bad in that respect. I loathe subways. Birmingham deserves credit for getting rid of a lot of its horrible 60s subways and making the place more walkable, and some authorities seem to be taking a more enlightened approach to walking access these days. The Living Streets group is doing a lot of good things (I've been thinking I might join).

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Post by caramarydaisy » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:12 pm

yeah, those subways around the ring road freak me out. i always walk different routes to avoid having to use them at night, like using the crossing at the bottom of london road and along thru the moor or something.
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Post by Richard » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:20 pm

You can't win the other way. Nottingham city centre has been almost completely pedestrianised, but it's a complete nightmare for anyone coming by car. Especially when we're trying to guide bands to venues and even though it's about 20 seconds away, they have to do a massive drive around Nottingham before they can get to it.

Still, I don't drive, so I don't give a hoot.

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Post by caramarydaisy » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:57 am

sheffields ring road is a bit of a pain as well to navigate around, loads of stupid one way systems. town planners are idiots.
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Post by a layer of chips » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:05 am

There's a massive drive towards the pedestrianisation of town and city centres at the moment. Local planners realise that inward investment teams can't attract new businesses if city centres are clogged up with cars, because staff don't want to sit in traffic jams for an hour a day.

It's gonna take ages to reverse, but I think the gradual phasing out of road city centre road level car parks and improved public transport will mean that cars will be pushed out of city centres. And rightly so; nothing makes less sense than some idiot in a 4x4 inching along a city centre street to park in a multi-storey.

I'm all for a complete ban on cars in city centres, but the government has to make the planning system a lot quicker for things like the extension of bus and tram routes, because at the moment it's ridiculously slow. The endless rounds of public consultations need to be slimmed down when it comes to things like public transport. Cos you're always gonna get the NIMBY crowd crowing about things like that.

Sorry. I do believe I just used the phrase 'NIMBY'.

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Post by soft revolution » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:59 pm

humblebee wrote:Yeah, a lot of urban planning is really pedestrian-unfriendly. Sheffield city centre is quite bad in that respect. I loathe subways. Birmingham deserves credit for getting rid of a lot of its horrible 60s subways and making the place more walkable, and some authorities seem to be taking a more enlightened approach to walking access these days. The Living Streets group is doing a lot of good things (I've been thinking I might join).
I think things are getting better by foot. In days gone by (mainly the 60s) the need of the community was confused as being identical with the need of the motorist, where as this doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by Sootyzilla » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:05 pm

soft revolution wrote: I think things are getting better by foot. In days gone by (mainly the 60s) the need of the community was confused as being identical with the need of the motorist, where as this doesn't seem to be the case anymore.
It would be nice to believe that, but they're still building new roads where I live.

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Post by soft revolution » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:51 pm

The sad death of a fellow with interesting ideas about road design. Have a read -

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 167372.ece
And by me, I mean, Flexo.

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Post by humblebee » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:16 pm

Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting that, Dunc.

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Post by crystalball » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:25 pm

Yes, Dunc, thanks. That was really interesting. I had a big post about this earlier but got distracted by stupid work and lost it. The basic principle of people being basically intelligent and that they should be treated as such is brilliant but I still think that the driver's sense of security comes mainly from being in a car, not from road signs. I don't know what the answer is though and Monderman seemed to have made a good start thinking about it and implementing something that might be in the right direction.

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Post by RITH » Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:54 pm

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Sad to hear he died.
Back when I was still an urban- and regional planning student I never liked the courses to do with traffic very much, but he was one of the more inspirational guys to read about.

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Re: It's fucking awful by foot

Post by nanski » Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:33 pm

i remember seeing something about his ideas on TV awhile back. it seems counter-intuitive to me, but then so are alot of good ideas.
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