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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by Steven in France » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:02 pm

I was thinking that in the case of Sheffield the hassle involved might mean people prefer to use the classic route - and then it occured to me that all that would be required to make HS2 attractive would be to add more stops and make the journey longer...

Regarding Nottingham I had an interesting reply from Notts CC transport. I don't think i am breaching any confidentialities to put the exchange here:

Dear Mr Bamford,

I was pleased to read the news about HS2 having a stop in the East Midlands in the Nottingham Post today

On reading the section below it occurred to me that the link train could be incorporated into the Robin Hood Line - even if it were just one train an hour as far as Mansfield.

Whether just one train continued to Mansfield or the link was wholly incorporated into the RHL there would be the opportunity with a timetable change to have a train every 20 minutes in the daytime between Nottingham and Mansfield.

"It means passengers could get on one of three trains an hour in Toton and step out on to the platform in London just 51 minutes later.

A link train from Nottingham to Toton would take 10 minutes, with seven minutes for passengers to transfer – meaning the total journey time between the city and the capital would be 68 minutes"

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Steven In France


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Dear Mr Steven In France

Your suggestion about connecting HS2 to Mansfield is a very strong point.

Of course the plans are at an extremely early stage, and the detail about local access to Toton isn't likely to be finalised until well into the 2020s, but I hope you will be assured that the Council has already identified that good connections to Mansfield and Ashfield are very important, and whenever an opportunity arises we will be pressing that case.

In fact there is a freight line that could be used for a direct Toton - Mansfield service (via Pinxton), and over the coming years we will explore that possibility with HS2 (the Government company charged with taking the plans forward). Or, as you suggest, some of the Toton - Nottinham trains could be combined with Nottingham - Mansfield/Worksop trains.

I am sure you will understand that the Council has no direct control of any part of the rail system, and so will not control what connecting rail services are provided, but I do assure you that we will be as proactive as possible in pressing the case for both Ashfield and Mansfield to have the best possible connectivity to Toton.

Thank you for your interest and your helpful suggestion.

Jim Bamford

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by humblebee » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:09 am

What's that? You want an animated map showing openings of British railway stations from 1812 to 2010? Funny you should say that.

http://www.thetrainline.com/news/britis ... y-stations

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Post by crystalball » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:46 pm

humblebee wrote:What's that? You want an animated map showing openings of British railway stations from 1812 to 2010? Funny you should say that.

http://www.thetrainline.com/news/britis ... y-stations
This looks like something we should be dancing along to.

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Post by crystalball » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:43 pm

Pre-Indietracks Anorak meet-up to see all the surviving A4s in the NRM in July? http://www.nrm.org.uk/PlanaVisit/Events/mallard75.aspx

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:51 pm

If you're trying to get between Grimsby and Doncaster (and why wouldn't you?), then you'll struggle due to a landslide at Stainforth Colliery. This looks like it might take quite a while to fix...
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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by humblebee » Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:03 pm

Kinell!

That'll make getting to the football a bit awkward.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by a layer of chips » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:19 am

Closed for eight weeks, apparently.

Does it take forever to go via Lincoln?

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by PCP » Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:12 pm

a layer of chips wrote:Closed for eight weeks, apparently.

Does it take forever to go via Lincoln?
Yeas eight weeks via Lincoln

I think its going to be longer than that to fix. was thinking of going there to have a look tomorrow, been going there quite a bit over the last few years one of the best places to see trains in South yorkshire. after having a good look at the pcitures on the web thinking the whole area is just not safe, dont wont to end up falling into the pit and drowning.
Wont they have to survey the line, the slag heap and the pit. Get together some of the best train and pit engineeriers in the world, before they can even get an idea of what has happened, and then work out what to do.
Never ever seen, read about or even heard of anything like this before, this aint just a lanslide or mine subsidance or is it a railways lines bid to go, the lines has raised up above there normal level
Humblebee good luck with getting to matches, that Manchester Airport Cleethopres services has been fantastic Now ruined East of Donny
Hate to think of the negative impact its going to have on an already poor area

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Post by tonieee » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:48 am

I heard the mayor of Stainforth talking about this on the radio last night. She said that local people have been warning that something like this might happen for years and also that there might be more in the future unless the whole colliery area is sorted.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by humblebee » Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:30 pm

So, they proposed magnetic levitation trains in vacuum tunnels that could travel between New York and Los Angeles in 21 minutes. They proposed these in 1972. Why haven't they been built yet?

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pu ... /P4874.pdf


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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by humblebee » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:27 am

I kind of need to have this book. It probably costs £478 though.

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http://guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2013 ... -interview

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by moopind » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:14 pm

The axeman:
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Daniel & Norbert now on Twitter - @Dentressangular

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by crystalball » Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:39 pm

humblebee wrote:I kind of need to have this book. It probably costs £478 though.

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http://guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2013 ... -interview
That looks incredible but just reading the article has made me want to sit with my head in my hands immersed in regret for all the things I haven't done in my life.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by RITH » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:34 pm

It's 60 dollars on amazon.com and 68 pounds on amazon.co.uk. It looks fascinating.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by crystalball » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:03 am

You know we were talking about the HS2 further up the thread... I was catching up on my railway news last night and stumbled upon this great piece:
There is a lot of number crunching and modelling behind HS2 but the real issue is the validity of the founding assumptions. HS2 was first proposed as a means to help boost the economies and competitiveness of provincial cities a la Heseltine. Sounds like a good idea but when we look at the figures it turns out it actually boosts London’s economy at the expense of the regions. Then it was promoted as a ‘green’ project to reduce air and road traffic and thereby reduce CO2 emissions. However the modeling unfortunately points out most passengers will transfer from existing rail and there will be hardly any reduction of flights or of CO2. But the Tories had got into a mess over the 3rd runway for Heathrow so decide on HS2 as some sort of alternative, which of course makes no sense at all. Nevertheless Cameron needs to look statesmanlike and visionary; he wants to try and lift morale in the enveloping economic gloom. What better than a grand projet where the costs and the chickens coming home to roost are way in the future. This is how political decisions on big infrastructure projects are made.
This person has dismantled the whole plan, small print included, and made a really compelling case against it. Not that it matters now. But, y'know, seeing as we care about these things... do read it if you can.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by darvé » Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:32 am

Wonderful piece M, thanks for sharing.

I often wonder what my dad would think of the state of the railways now and how he'd react to things like this and generally come to the conclusion that he's better off dead.

I have him to thank for knowing this though -
But Toton? Only serious train spotters know about Toton.
and that snare drum, that drum roll
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