It's terrific by train

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by squirrelboutique » Fri May 29, 2009 12:21

It's not just love of cars that keep people off trains in America. It takes FOREVER to get places on trains, like twice the time as a car, and it is nearly as expensive to buy a train ticket as it is to buy an airplane ticket. So people with money and/or cars choose to fly or drive, and those without take buses.

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Post by squirrelboutique » Fri May 29, 2009 12:24

What I'm saying is, if the inter-city rail is faster and inexpensive, I think people will for sure use it.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by darvé » Fri May 29, 2009 12:33

It's the sheer size of the place thats the problem, the same thing happens in Australia and Russia. Towns are far more spread apart and more stations are needed, so it's always going to be more convenient to travel by road. Thats why the fares are so high on the railway because the journeys are seen as luxury trips rather than for convenience. I still don't see the vast majority of people choosing to travel by rail even if is comparable in price and speed to the roads/air.

I really hope i'm proven wrong though as i can't be sitting here arguing AGAINST rail travel.
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Post by humblebee » Fri May 29, 2009 13:08

There is all that about America's Love Affair With The Car, but the arguments about the size of the country and the length of journeys are pertinent too. This is why I think there doesn't seem much point in the whole thing if, as that article says, most of the new projects would be no faster than 110mph. Quicker than driving, maybe, but if it's still going to take a whole day to get from, say, New York to Atlanta, then it's not going to tempt anyone.

You also have to factor in the outrageously low price of petrol/gasoline in the USA. Most people on an average income will drive these long inter-city runs rather than use rail because it will cost only a fraction of the train ticket's price.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by squirrelboutique » Fri May 29, 2009 13:24

Also, considering that the average American has only two weeks vacation time a year getting places quickly is even more important. I don't know anyone who works part-time or gets paid hourly who gets any paid vacation.

And thinking about family vacations, given the choice between fifteen hours in a car with children or the same journey on a train, I'd go for a car trip for sure. It'd be much easier to keep kids entertained and stuff in car.

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Post by Gordon » Fri May 29, 2009 13:59

I've done Toronto to NYC on both bus and train, and though the train was much more comfortable (not arguably as comfortable as British ones), the journey took almost exactly the same time, 13ish hours (or maybe longer by train?). Can;t remember the price. It's pretty horrible when people are priced into air travel, though.

I'm not sold on the idea that a whole family in a car is more pleasant than a train though. I like leg room and ability to walk-about/not have to have any family member concentrate on driving/navigating.
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Post by squirrelboutique » Fri May 29, 2009 17:50

I think if this plan of Obama's works, more people will use trains. especially in a big (well, long) state like Florida. But for now, they don't make sense for lots of people. I just looked at a trip to Orlando, which would take me 2.5 hours in my car and about a tank of gas ($25). That same trip on Amtrak would be $50 a person and would take 7 hours. Not many people are going to choose that for a weekend away, especially not with children along to pay for and keep entertained.

I'd love for us to have some high speed affordable trains, but as Pete pointed out, these trains aren't even going to be that fast.

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Post by a layer of chips » Thu Jun 04, 2009 18:58

I'd have the displeasure of meeting Tim Shoveller, and he really is as much of a shitkicker as he sounds.

East Midlands trains really are cunts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leic ... 083722.stm

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Post by nanski » Mon Jun 08, 2009 14:09

davo wrote: Anyway, top ten railway station cafes - I see one of the pubs on Huddersfield station made the list.
I know the Grindleford Station Cafe (number 3). One of those pithy signs outlaws cell phones. I always felt like Loralei Gilmore sneaking text messages in there. I never got thrown out, but i got dirty looks from the owner.
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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by Mr Bear » Tue Jun 09, 2009 16:58

Can someone remind me what the website is where you can see when cheap train tickets go on sale for each TOC? I seem to recall it's something to do with atoc but can't seem to find it. Thanks.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by Mr Bear » Tue Jun 09, 2009 17:01

Also, £2.50 each way to reserve a seat on NXEC? Pffft!

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Post by humblebee » Tue Jun 09, 2009 20:39

Mr Bear wrote:Can someone remind me what the website is where you can see when cheap train tickets go on sale for each TOC? I seem to recall it's something to do with atoc but can't seem to find it. Thanks.
Oooh I dunno. I know thetrainline.com will send you an email when they become available though:
http://www.thetrainline.com/ticketalert ... 0969203821

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Post by bocken » Wed Jun 10, 2009 09:19

http://www.atoctravelagents.org/ and click on booking horizons

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by darvé » Sun Jun 21, 2009 22:00

Tyndrum Lower, yesterday.

(I didn't get off the train, as i was a bit scared of it going without me, and having to wait 6 hours for the next one!)
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Post by crystalball » Sun Jun 21, 2009 22:18

Aw hello! Are you back? How was Scotland? How were the trains? Tell us all about it!

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by darvé » Sun Jun 21, 2009 22:53

Hello!

We got back just after 8, had a lovely trip back down the WCML on a Virgin Voyager, which was well exciting as i've never been on one before. Scotland was ACE, we did Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh which was just lovely (although it was quite drizzly which was a shame) The Jacobite Steam train from Fort William to Mallaig and back, although it tipped it down that day, which kind of ruined the outbound journey, but it cleared up OK for the way back, and Oban to Glasgow, through both Lower Tyndrum and Helensburgh Upper, that was my favourite trip, although coming into the urban outskirts of Glasgow after 3 hours of mountains and hills and fields and rivers and woods is a bit of an anti climax.

I'll tell you more about it soooon, but i need to unpack and stuff now!
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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by humblebee » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:25

Eeeeeeeeee, that sounds ace! I'm mightily jealous.

Anyone know what the trains are like to the North Yorkshire coast? We're maybe going to Whitby or Scarborough next month. Decent journey? Slow? Pretty? Anything like that?

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Post by humblebee » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:26

Reporting preliminary annual results this week for the year to 1 April 2009, parent company Stagecoach said revenue at East Midlands Trains was 10.3% higher than the previous year, including routes previously run by National Express.
Only 10.3% up in the middle of a recession, eh. Better let them off some of the millions they owe the taxpayer, and get them ticket barriers installed sharpish.

Still, at least they're using some of the cash to refurbish the HST fleet. I wonder how much longer those lovelies will keep rolling.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by a layer of chips » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:41

They'll have saved a bit of money not paying the people on strike for all those Sundays.

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Re: It's terrific by train

Post by Mr Bear » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:58

So the line between Doncaster and Cleethorpes is closed until September now, and the area becomes even more of a no-horse provincial shitwater.

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